General Erection - 12th December 2019

[ginge]

3 minutes ago, geosname said:

They are politicians.... they lie.

And Farage and Boris have proven to lie more than most. They make ridiculous claims and then don't back them up. Just explaining why the situation is different. I didn't see the Green party claiming they'd stand in all 650 seats.

[Howjy04]

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[geosname]

20 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

No, they are political parties with members., Brexit is a limited company with a CEO who made the decision or was told by his donor(s) what to do. 

Same effect different cause

[geosname]

20 minutes ago, ginge said:

And Farage and Boris have proven to lie more than most. They make ridiculous claims and then don't back them up. Just explaining why the situation is different. I didn't see the Green party claiming they'd stand in all 650 seats.

All politicians lie mate.

[ginge]

2 minutes ago, geosname said:

All politicians lie mate.

Some change their minds and that's fair enough as long as they admit it. Putting all politicians in the same bracket doesn't help matters. I wouldn't put Caroline Lucas in that bracket who is an exceptional MP standing up for her constituents.

[philpvfc]

None bigger liar than Corbyn.

[ginge]

11 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

None bigger liar than Corbyn.

You saying Corbyn has lied more than Boris and Farage? Boris is a serial liar. List the lies Corbyn has told?

[philpvfc]

He has yes.

not going to list them all but “Silly Woman” stands out.

his manifesto is more of a bull <ovf censored> than Boris’s, it seems like I will spend more than you is the order of the day between the two and at the moment Corbyn wins out.

[philpvfc]

At least with Farage you know what his goal is (leave the E.U.) always stood for that and stuck to his guns. Boris has pretty well stuck to what he said immediately before becoming PM. As for Corbyn, what has he stuck to? A Euro sceptic for pretty well all his political career until it comes to the Referendum where he stood on the fence going along with whatever he believes will get him the most votes and always going against the Government. Corbyn will screw us all over if he ever gets to be PM, do not believe his manifesto and do not believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

[ginge]

20 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

He has yes.

not going to list them all but “Silly Woman” stands out.

his manifesto is more of a bull <ovf censored> than Boris’s, it seems like I will spend more than you is the order of the day between the two and at the moment Corbyn wins out.

So theres one. Boris has a whole catalogue of lies. You only have to look at his campaign speech the other day

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-election-tory-party-conservative-brexit-nhs-hospitals-a9188531.html%3famp 

As for the manifesto you can't say it's a lie yet because he hasn't been given a chance to prove or disprove it. 

[geosname]

1 hour ago, ginge said:

And Farage and Boris have proven to lie more than most. They make ridiculous claims and then don't back them up. Just explaining why the situation is different. I didn't see the Green party claiming they'd stand in all 650 seats.

Being practical for a moment the brexit party have nothing to gain by standing against Tories.... if they do it increases the risk of the Tories losing and getting Labour elected and brexit won't happen.... standing against labour it could reduce their vote and help stop them winning.

I doubt there will be a brexit party upheaval,  in that I don't see them making huge seat wins.... maybe one or two but not substantial numbers..... the best they can hope for is to indirectly help the Tories win and ride their coat tails.... which I'm sure Nige would be happy doing.

As a party brexit can't win the election..... as an issue it can and probably will.... but the brexit party has nothing else to offer, its a single issue stance, when that issue is finally dealt with they will shrink away.

[ginge]

15 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

At least with Farage you know what his goal is (leave the E.U.) always stood for that and stuck to his guns. Boris has pretty well stuck to what he said immediately before becoming PM. As for Corbyn, what has he stuck to? A Euro sceptic for pretty well all his political career until it comes to the Referendum where he stood on the fence going along with whatever he believes will get him the most votes and always going against the Government. Corbyn will screw us all over if he ever gets to be PM, do not believe his manifesto and do not believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

Farage has changed his goalposts though. He said we'd be like Norway and stay in the single market. Now he's changed his tune. He also has no idea how we should leave or how it would get through parliament. Boris has previously said he's a fan of brussels and wants to stay in the single market. Now he's a big leaver??? (His own political gain). I have not heard Corbyn say once he supports leave. I have heard him say there are issues to reform in the EU. But Boris has proven to be a serial liar, so on evidence he is not as trustworthy as Corbyn.

[ginge]

4 minutes ago, geosname said:

Being practical for a moment the brexit party have nothing to gain by standing against Tories.... if they do it increases the risk of the Tories losing and getting Labour elected and brexit won't happen.... standing against labour it could reduce their vote and help stop them winning.

I doubt there will be a brexit party upheaval,  in that I don't see them making huge seat wins.... maybe one or two but not substantial numbers..... the best they can hope for is to indirectly help the Tories win and ride their coat tails.... which I'm sure Nige would be happy doing.

As a party brexit can't win the election..... as an issue it can and probably will.... but the brexit party has nothing else to offer, its a single issue stance, when that issue is finally dealt with they will shrink away.

If I was Farage being practical I would pull out of all seats to avoid splitting the leave vote. The point is he said he'd contest every seat. Well the conman chickened out again. The polls have shown that the most important seats are the Labour minorities anyway so I'm not sure the announcement today will effect anything. I think the Brexit Party will be very lucky to win a single seat. They are effectively just making Brexit less likely by taking votes off the tories in areas like N-u-L.

If Labour and Lib dems are clever they would come up with some sort of an alliance in marginal seats like N-u-L. They don't have to agree on policies but surely they want to avoid a hard right Tory government.

[ginge]

38 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

He has yes.

not going to list them all but “Silly Woman” stands out.

his manifesto is more of a bull <ovf censored> than Boris’s, it seems like I will spend more than you is the order of the day between the two and at the moment Corbyn wins out.

You can't even name any concrete lies that has come out of Corbyn's mouth. Where is the evidence for the silly woman? It wasn't spoken. But even if he did lie on that, that's one compared to a whole catalogue from Boris. Boris even lied to the Queen...

[colin]

10 minutes ago, ginge said:

You can't even name any concrete lies that has come out of Corbyn's mouth. Where is the evidence for the silly woman? It wasn't spoken. But even if he did lie on that, that's one compared to a whole catalogue from Boris. Boris even lied to the Queen...

Boris also said we'd leave the EU on October 31st. I've just checked and we are still in the EU and it's now 11th November.