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General Erection - 12th December 2019


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34 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

Are you being deliberately thick?

You make stupid claims that nobody voted because of a manifesto promise and you question my intelligence?... and if they did you say they are lying?

That's the arrogance of the mentally defective.

You didn't have the common sense to qualify the statement by adding..... the only reason they voted Tory..... or.... the primary reason they voted Tory.

You have no idea what other people consider important, possibly because you don't think it's important, 50%+ of the people who cast a vote in the referendum thought it was important we leave, you don't so you dismiss them.

Lib dems thought it was important to have a referendum, Tories thought it was important they included it in their manifesto, even some Labour supporters thought it was important..... but..... according to you 60,000,000 people didn't think it was important and if they voted because the Tories included it in their manifesto they are liars.

When you combine pompous arrogance with blind stupidity..... you make a post.

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Count up to ten everyone ... and breathe.

We're going off topic but I think (from memory) the 2015 Tory manifesto was largely about keeping Labour out, the NHS, big society, northern powerhouse (what became of that?) and so on. Checking it now, reference to a vote on the EU was on page 74. It was there but at the very end. It hardly warranted mention from most voters and had never made the top five topics of concern in past elections.

Of course, it was always festering under the surface with the English nationalists in the ERG and Farage seized on every opportunity he could to condemn immigration but he had generally been seen as a bore in a bar and don't forget failed 7-8 times to become an MP. 1 UKIP MP wasn't a ringing endorsement for UKIP policies.

What I think happened then was two things. One, Cameron foolishly offered a vote because he (equally stupidly) thought he could heal Tory divisions going back 30 years. And,two, as austerity was biting and the state of the country going to the dogs, the right wing press and government increasingly blamed the EU for the mess they'd created. And the rest is history. Anti-EU myths abounded in the red tops and immigrants were clobbered on a daily basis. If only we could leave the EU then all our ills would be solved. Sunny uplands here we come.

And so we are where we are. 4 years later we have a terribly divided society, more intolerance than ever before in our history, a potential problem in NI, another Scottish referendum on the cards, having already squandered £80 billion on superfluous adverts, ferries and coins, plus the £39 billion divorce bill. And the economic outlook for the UK worsens with each and every day. I don't hold a candle for the opposition but how on earth have we got ourselves into a situation where our PM is an habitual liar, con man, law breaker and makes it up as he goes along? And yet there are still folk on here who would vote for him!

It was so completely and utterly unnecessary. We lived in a far better place 4 years ago than we do today. 

Can I be the first on here to wish everyone a happy Christmas?

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Apart from the Vale, most of the time, is everything black and white. People vote for x, but for various reasons, sometimes obscure but that happens. Included in all votes will be a protest vote for various reasons, as well as people not wanting to vote for the alternative, with close results it is quite likely that the result has hinged upon that type of reason. Thus impossible to exclude a particular view..

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15 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

See what I have already posted.  If there was so much groundswell towards wanting out of the EU, where were the cascade of UKIP MPs being elected in the 2015 election and of you think that folk didnt vote UKIP because Dave promised a referendum you deserve nothing but contempt.

The electoral system in the UK is designed for 2 parties, the UKIP vote all though high did not break through. The same could happen with Brexit, their main impact being on other parties.

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1 hour ago, Nofinikea said:

You  are a tedious bore Geo.  

It's not difficult for anybody to grasp.

Its bloody depressing trying to communicate with you.

One last time...  NOBODY chose to vote Tory in 2015 because of the promise to hold an EU referendum.  There were 4 other issues ahead of the referendum at that time.  Anybody trying to pretend that the 2015 election was won on the issue of europe is a complete moron.

I will ask the pertinent question again...

In 2015, 3M+ voted for UKIP, returning just 1 MP for the party.  Those who had Europe at the top of there concerns voted UKIP.  Where was the groundswell of support for the ONLY anti euro party at the 2015 election if issues of europe were a driving force?  There wasnt one because it wasnt.

So again I repeat, anybody who says they voted for Tory because they promised a referendum is a liar.  Nobody thought, "I usually vote Labour but seeing as the Tories have promised a ref I will vote for them" nobody.  Anybody who had concerns about the EU ahead of concerns about austerity, taxation, NHS etc boted UKIP.

Now stop being thick.  The point I am making isnt even close to the point you and Regal are arguing and if you cant see that you are even more stupid than I think you are and let me tell you, I think you are really very stupid already.

Of course I realise Geo, you get your kicks from stiring the pot.  You did that during the fight against V2001 as well, whilst pretending to be neutral.  Infind you disingenuous and a completly insufferable self important nobody.

There is a band of you on this thread and others who all took opposition during various campaigns against owners of the Vale that continue to portray themselves as superior and enlightened.  You aren't.  You should all take a look at BycarsBill and how he actually manages to engage the people he disagrees with by using his actual opinion demonstrated with his experiences rather than just adopting a stance to satisfy a weird perversion.

Is there a seepage of wet stinky fluid dripping from your ears?

Your brain has decomposed and the effluvium is seeking an exit from your empty skull...... some seems to be exiting your mouth and dripping onto your keyboard.

I don't mind the infantile abuse you spew at me, I can reply with similar until your eyes bleed. It would only affect me if I was in anyway concerned what people think.... I don't give a rat's ass.

I have no idea what you are referencing V2001 for...... I questioned their ability from my first post.

You sound like you are suffering from little man syndrome, having to shout abuse to get people to listen, making unrealistic statements to become relevant,  your not a lib dem by any chance are you?

I will again try to explain my "neutral" position as you describe it..... I dislike all politicians and I loathe the party system....  as i dont support any side technically that makes me neutral..... in reality im far from it... I hate them all equally it's just that I hate some more than others..... animal farm twist?

Now stop dribbling down your chin.

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16 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

Unfortunately I am not a FT subscriber so am unable to access that link.

Sorry about that, neither--just Google FT Review "When Britain went bust" and you can read their article about when the country previously ran out of money under a Labour government headed by Jim Callaghan and with Dennis Healey as Chancellor.  Of course it does back up my previous assertions about Labour's finaancial incompetence, but on its own it's an important historical story, particularly for people of my generation who had to live through it.  Not a pleasant time I can assure you and it will also give you a clear insight into what formed my opinion away from Labour and and a perspective on why I make the comments about Labour that I do now.

On a different note, let's hope we're in the draw for round 2 of the FA cup on Monday!

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57 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

Apart from the Vale, most of the time, is everything black and white. People vote for x, but for various reasons, sometimes obscure but that happens. Included in all votes will be a protest vote for various reasons, as well as people not wanting to vote for the alternative, with close results it is quite likely that the result has hinged upon that type of reason. Thus impossible to exclude a particular view..

We have it on good authority from a lung fish that nobody voted Tory because they had an EU referendum on their manifesto.... apparently people only consider the number 1 issue on the manifesto.... inconsiderate of them.

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47 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

You were little more than a shitstirrer questioning people every move, deliberately repeating out of context and claimed to be just playing devils advocate.

Fortunately there were people who were prepared to actually do something and you just dragged important issues into tedious ball aches, much like you do on these threads.

Careful with those big words numbnuts. 

With experience you should learn to question everything..... question the answer..... then question the question, which is far more interesting..... it may be difficult for you at the moment because you have to question yourself.... you may get there once you have learned the technique of not assuming broad statements you make are factual..... just because you think it doesn't make it fact.

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11 hours ago, Mario said:

Corbyn fails to make the Festival of Remembrance tonight,too busy I suppose supporting Sinn Fein in calling for brave elderly British soldiers to stand trial.

He was visiting the now closed Maze prison where he paid a poignant tribute to Bobby Sands by licking the walls of his cell.

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