Penalties

[Jacko51]

In three of our last seven games (Mansfield, Stevenage and Bradford) we have had extremely soft penalties awarded against us.  Would these have been given with VAR - let's look at the evidence!  This is a still of the incident in the Arsenal game at Sheffield United on Monday evening.  Sokratis had a huge chunk of his shirt pulled as the ball came into the box.  It's not a brilliant pic but the telly pics showed the offence quite clearly.  It was reviewed by VAR and no penalty given.  So why the last two against Vale??

Similarly, if you saw the penalty appeal by Watford at Spurs at the weekend if was far more of a foul that Leon Legge's decision to stand still while Mansfield's Rowe ran into him and threw himself to the floor.  That was a penalty but the scything tackle by Vertonghen which took the man down and was nowhere near the ball wasn't according to ref and VAR.

Why are we playing to two different sets of laws at the moment??

[cheshirevaliant]

I think the key question relating to VAR is "would any of the penalties against the Vale have been overturned if we'd had VAR?" I suspect the one on Saturday wouldn't have been, it looked a penalty having seen it on the highlights, albeit a very soft one. 

The VAR people don't seem very keen to overrule referees for subjective decisions like fouls etc... To my mind, we should only be using technology for goal line incidents. We have a curious half way house at the moment where technology is there but not being used fully for fear of undermining referees. Just get rid of it! 

[ginginator]

The thing I feel with VAR is the reliance on the "outside referee". I do believe if the touchline screens were used, as was originally intended, then we may see the referee ( actual ) be more willing to use their previous experince. The system seems to allow those with VAR to rely on that. The ones without seem to think, maybe VAR would give that, so I will too just incase. 

[1]

I can fully see why the defenders get irate - it’s blatant cheating, and it hurts their credentials as a player when it says they have given a penalty away. It never says in a write up that they were penalised but most spectators thought it was dodgy so disregard it. Vale historically have had very few penalties and had a shed load against, and it has really hurt us over the past few seasons.

[toyahw]

As a watcher mainly on ifollow, with instant access to replays, I am totally happy to become the VAR official for all Vale games. I'll be totally neutral, honest. 

30 minutes ago, cheshirevaliant said:

I think the key question relating to VAR is "would any of the penalties against the Vale have been overturned if we'd had VAR?" I suspect the one on Saturday wouldn't have been, it looked a penalty having seen it on the highlights, albeit a very soft one. 

No, not even the one last night, given the current standard required with VAR. Taylor did sort of touch him. In the kind of way you would touch someone on the sleeve on a very shy first date. 

[Smugsy]

I find it amazing that so far this season not one penalty has been awarded because of VAR this season. Which means that everything's been spotted or the far more logical conclusion that the system isn't working.

Looking at it from a Vale point of view, the penalties we've been awarded against us this year have been ridiculous. We had terrible penalties given against Howkins at Exeter for a non existent foul and one for dangerous play at MK and the trend has continued this season. Perhaps it's time for another letter to the FA moaning about the decisions against us because the last one made such a difference!

[Wrex]

2 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

So why the last two against Vale??

 

Crap referees at this level. They say VAR non-league refs are being advanced into the EFL too early but Graham Salisbury has been in the league for over a decade so I'm not sure that excuse really flies.

[kendo1876]

Go on the bantams website, Bradford fans say they would not be happy with that 'pen.' given against them.

In three of our last seven games (Mansfield, Stevenage and Bradford) we have had extremely soft penalties awarded against us.  Would these have been given with VAR - let's look at the evidence!  This is a still of the incident in the Arsenal game at Sheffield United on Monday evening.  Sokratis had a huge chunk of his shirt pulled as the ball came into the box.  It's not a brilliant pic but the telly pics showed the offence quite clearly.  It was reviewed by VAR and no penalty given.  So why the last two against Vale??

Similarly, if you saw the penalty appeal by Watford at Spurs at the weekend if was far more of a foul that Leon Legge's decision to stand still while Mansfield's Rowe ran into him and threw himself to the floor.  That was a penalty but the scything tackle by Vertonghen which took the man down and was nowhere near the ball wasn't according to ref and VAR.
Why are we playing to two different sets of laws at the moment??

[Andy Proctor]

Basically the rules for the referees for our games are give the opposition soft penalties and deny us even the stonewall ones.

[Santa]

4 hours ago, cheshirevaliant said:

I think the key question relating to VAR is "would any of the penalties against the Vale have been overturned if we'd had VAR?" I suspect the one on Saturday wouldn't have been, it looked a penalty having seen it on the highlights, albeit a very soft one. 

The VAR people don't seem very keen to overrule referees for subjective decisions like fouls etc... To my mind, we should only be using technology for goal line incidents. We have a curious half way house at the moment where technology is there but not being used fully for fear of undermining referees. Just get rid of it! 

In the Prem, for a less than stonewall penalty incident, are referees less willing to give an ‘on the pitch’ decision, on the basis that VAR will sort everything out?

Refs obviously talk to each other, and information gets shared. I think we’ve had our card marked by somebody, and now referees are looking out for certain things in our games. 

[Fosse69]

14 minutes ago, Santa said:

In the Prem, for a less than stonewall penalty incident, are referees less willing to give an ‘on the pitch’ decision, on the basis that VAR will sort everything out?

Refs obviously talk to each other, and information gets shared. I think we’ve had our card marked by somebody, and now referees are looking out for certain things in our games. 

Why are we different to other teams? Surely other teams have their cards marked but never play against us? Pope is certainly on the list,

[pensioner]

6 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

If players kept there hands to themselves then no matter how much cards are marked, nothing is given.  If you give the referee a decision to make there is always a chance it will go against you.

 

We are in the fourth division and there for have fourth division refs, plus this year we have have had some New To The League refs who should never have been promoted above the national league. Putting hands on attackers is a hint to the refs that they should punish us. As a team I believe we are not well liked by the ref fraternity, who should be impartial but as we know are so biased it sometimes looks like insider betting on one of the numerous gambling companies associated with football. Keep yer hands down and dont give em a get out clause to give soft penalties.

[MelbourneValiant]

Soft or not, a foul is a foul. Without rose tinted glasses I would have given a penalty for Stevenage. Not on first sight mind but after watching the replay. I found the Bradford 'Penalty' to be ridiculous. Never in a million a years. I like to think I am a fair person with no bias these days.

 

[colin]

The Stevenage one was definitely a penalty. The Legge one the other week wasn't nor was the Bradford one.

[The man in the pub]

19 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

Why are we different to other teams? Surely other teams have their cards marked but never play against us? Pope is certainly on the list,

Agreed, Popey sneezes on a defender and he is booked. Same defender climbs all over Popey, scythes him down and Popey still probably gets booked.