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2 hours ago, toyahw said:

As Kevan says, based on Sat no one could moan about being dropped. But on here, it always goes back to bashing the usual targets. Smith, Gibbons, Pope. 

I'll tell you what, there were equally bad performances*. By players that never even get a mention here. 

We have a glaring problem. Just youtube how many goals we concede down our left. We do not have a left back. Crookes is makeshift in that position. It is clear as day. We haven't had a proper left back since I can't remember when.

Which makes us very lopsided. In defense and attack.

*Thought Smith had a good game myself.

With most clubs they love a local player. It's the opposite at Vale!

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Do not be fooled by Stevenages Low position in the table .

Regardless of who is chosen for the game let’s hope everyone puts a shift in and gives everything they have .

You play a system what allows you to be attacking without exposing the limitations in the team for breakaway goals .

A big big game as the next few are difficult to say the least 

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2 hours ago, Wrex said:

With most clubs they love a local player. It's the opposite at Vale!

Gibbons has had plenty of praise this season. He was the worst of a bad bunch at Macclesfield, all players have a bad game; not sure it's anything more than people stating facts. Smith was the best of the back 4. Thought Pope had one of his worst games in a Vale shirt, again it happens. Nothing to do with being local. Atkinson was completely ineffectual in midfield; although he did ok at rightback. In an overall poor performance I felt those 3 stood out.

Dilemma for me is what to do with Atkinson. He was a disappointment at Mansfield, apart from filling in for Bishop as a holding midfielder and when they played him at rightback or a wingback in his second season. So if Askey wants to pick him I think he has to leave out Joyce or Gibbons. I guess he could be radical, play Worral as more of a 10, Montano and Amoo wide, with Joyce and Atkinson as more of a midfield 2. Atkinson preformed very well at Southend more centrally but his first year at Mansfield they tried playing him further forward and out wide without much success. He was so poor Mansfield desperately wanted to get rid of him after his first season; although he did win fans over a bit in the second season, despite less game time. I'm not sure he is a natural fit alongside the players we currently have, as we really want someone who can play a little more advanced than Joyce; basically the role he didn't do very well elsewhere. I've no doubt he's a good footballer but he only works in positions where we aren't in desperate need of a first choice option. I think Askey needs to be brave on Saturday and pick the two he considers best from Gibbons, Joyce and Atkinson. Not sure who I'd leave out; possibly Joyce.

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Macclesfield was awful on Saturday. All teams have a blip though, where just nothing goes right. Given how we've performed so far this season, to have it limited really to two games where we haven't performed up to standard (Grimsby, Macclesfield) is decent going from where we were a year ago. Last year we looked awful whether we won, drew or lost. I don't think you can say that this year.

 

I would say we head back to the 4-3-3. I was surprised we weren't playing that v Macc, as that has given us success (At home at least). Stevenage over the years have somehow managed to do us over through the middle of the park. Packing that with our midfield should be a priority. I would like to see Burgess given another game, he and Taylor linked well with Joyce behind them. I think the main selection area of contention is right back. Atkinson was superb v Morecambe, and Gibbons was awful v Macclesfield. It shouldn't be a contest on that basis, but Gibbons has played well to that point.

 

 

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Back to the previous formation.

Get Amoo and Worrall involved.

Back to Bennett starting and Pope coming off the bench.

Pay up Oyeleke as he's never going to be reliable for an interrupted month.

Win.

One of those points isn't directly related.

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1 hour ago, 1 said:

Back to the previous formation.

Get Amoo and Worrall involved.

Back to Bennett starting and Pope coming off the bench.

Pay up Oyeleke as he's never going to be reliable for an interrupted month.

Win.

One of those points isn't directly related.

Agree with all bar the unrelated Oyeleke point. Manny’s just getting over a big operation and I guess the intention is to solve a problem that has been niggling for a couple of years. Apart from wanting to support the lad it’s crazy to make that investment and not see how he goes on after recovery. If we could get Manny playing regularly that would be massive.

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You kind of wonder why now they decide Manny needs an operation? Don't get me wrong. I'm not slagging the bloke off. He's just the kind of player we are missing. 

But I was told by a surgeon friend of mine that if you have an op on this kind of thing it doesn't cure it. Just stops it getting worse. Don't shoot the messenger.  I love Manny to bits and wish all the best,

But I fear his future as a footballer is unlikely. Hope not, all the best Manny.

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Clearly it's not either/ or.
There's a complex interaction between players and systems, otherwise there wouldn't be any need for systems.
The point I'm trying to make is that we had a system that was working, and it was refreshingly high tempo.
It has changed in the last few weeks due to injuries and trying to, in my opinion, get the best out of Tom Pope.
In the process, we seem to have lost direction and clarity in how we play.
So I'd like to see a return to the system that seemed to suit most of the team, was effective and was entertaining to watch.
100% agree. Bang on.
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Shouldn't we play Pope? I mean, he's a legend and he scored twice the previous home match.
 
What's changed??
 
 

You seem to have some strange personal issue with Pope

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11 minutes ago, Jacob_123 said:


You seem to have some strange personal issue with Pope

Can't win on this site. Go against the majority abuse...go with the majority I have a strange personal issue

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16 minutes ago, whotobeakiller said:

Can't win on this site. Go against the majority abuse...go with the majority I have a strange personal issue

Calm down man. You don't like Pope. We get it.

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On 16/10/2019 at 18:40, Vale fan in Alsager said:

Do not be fooled by Stevenages Low position in the table .

Regardless of who is chosen for the game let’s hope everyone puts a shift in and gives everything they have .

You play a system what allows you to be attacking without exposing the limitations in the team for breakaway goals .

A big big game as the next few are difficult to say the least 

Agreed VFIA, and the season so far has proven that anyone can beat anyone else on their day. Vale will have to be up for it or could well do badly in this one.

Personally I expect a reaction from the players to the Macc debacle.

Edited by Heatwave
Nonsense in English

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14 hours ago, whotobeakiller said:

Shouldn't we play Pope? I mean, he's a legend and he scored twice the previous home match.

 

What's changed??😏

 

 

Pope is only as good as the service he is getting which was virtually nil on Saturday at Macc.He scored two goals in the previous game given the service.

Just hope Askey doesn’t bottle it and go back to one up front.

This would allow Stevenage to overrun our midfield and dive and cheat and time waste like last season.

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He isn’t the player he was in the promotion season and he doesn’t work playing on his own with the squad we have. Those are pretty fair points. 

 

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5 hours ago, TJHValiant said:

He isn’t the player he was in the promotion season and he doesn’t work playing on his own with the squad we have. Those are pretty fair points. 

 

It was obvious last season teams worked out that if they put two big centre backs on Pope they stopped us scoring and playing Pope ball.

With more support from other players we have now got more options to play and score from other areas.

The problem is if midfield gets pushed back the service to Pope is non existent and we struggle to score.

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Listening to Askey’s interview it sounds like it will be a slight tweak rather than wholesale changes. The biggest dilemma with be Gibbons or Atkinson, or to accommodate both.

If Askey stays true to form with his selections, I think it will look like this:

Brown

Gibbons Legge Smith Crookes

Atkinson Joyce Taylor 

Worrall Bennett Amoo 

I worry there isn’t enough goals in that team, and expect a scrappy game. 

Anyway, however we get them, 3 points would feel great tomorrow evening, and put to bed the Macclesfield debacle.

Come on lads, let’s see a response! UTV. 

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