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As I did not attend I can only go on my sons comment It was rhymes with hit

Played off the park by a club who’s players haven’t being paid ,that is laughable and shows where we are .

So there is very little say other than well done Macclesfield you deserved it .

As for Askey I feel he should be shown the door .

Plays the same back four who consistently are poor and very giving to most teams in this league .

Crewe will annihilate us as they seem to have a manager who motivates his team regularly.

We will be non league if we are accepting of the rubbish served yesterday .

If players cannot motivate themselves to play in front of our supporters home and away and only turn up at home then we will only go one way .

A disgrace and not fit wear the shirt 

Thats the overall view I’ve got from reading folks views on the performance and application put in from them who represented us.

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Absolutely crazy to even suggest Askey be sacked & frankly typical of some Vale fans.

We’re not the Vale of old, we’re an ok league 2 side and trying to improve. Baby steps unfortunately after being on life support for the last few years.

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I’ve sent slept in it, And I’m angrier than i was yesterday!! Haha. Why do we do it? Still I’ll be there next week. As someone says we want a reaction. It will be a hollow victory but it will go some way to repairing yesterday. Change at the back it called for I think. 

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Atkinson for Gibbons next week,Good start by Gibbo ,this season,but that is as bad as I’ve seen for a long time.He should have been taken off after 30 mins.Stevenage will get him sent off if he plays.

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Maybe Brisley will get a game next weekend? as for people saying get rid of Askey,really???  we will more than likely finish mid table which imo after all that has gone on will be a massive improvement,of course we all want promotion but it will take steady progress...….I hate to say but look at crewe,they were desperate to get rid of Artell and we were all desperate for him to stay,they have a small budget and have made steady progress.

Of course Askey makes mistakes,most managers at this level will BUT imo he has got us playing better than under Aspin and Brown(not hard I know) especially at home.

Cant wait to hear who those wanting him sacked want to replace him with,any idea peeps?

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I've too just slept on it before posting.

From the start Vale were abject, slow, ponderous, tactically wrong and had the incorrect line up.

OK we went 1 up but by then Macc had easily exposed our frailties at the back. Our shape meant we had no width whatsoever and allowed them to attack our full backs. Also our midfield were run off the park and yet again there were numerous times the opposition just waltzed through, without any tackles going in.

We are a bang average mid table Division 2 table and any position around 12th to 15th is all we can ask with the squad we have so we have to accept that as a push towards  better times after several years of absolute garbage.

Yesterday we had a whole team off colour and we have to rely on a reaction next game to see who really cares about the Club.

Pointless pointing the finger as the majority were totally useless and couldn't even string passes to their colleagues together. I don't think I've ever seen so many players give the ball away and have such dire performances together.

The nearly 1900 Valiants went there in hope that we were turning the corner and getting away from bad days at the office, Macc frankly were there for the taking as they were a poor outfit too. Any half decent Team turning up yesterday would have rolled them over convincingly and that's what bugs us Vale fans.

I agree with many fans around me that the defence needs a real shake up. Time now surely for Askey to change the 2 centre halves and attempt to secure a tighter back four? 

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7 hours ago, toyahw said:

You can analyse from whatever angle you want. Fact is we were rubbish and well beaten. Macc are better than us. That simple. And that is where we are at.

I get the disappointment but the true statement should be Macc were better than us yesterday.

to say they are better than us means we should just abandon the league system and judge who is the best team on single results alone.

So Norwich are better than Man City and we are better than Forrest Green who currently sit 4th.

The league table will tell you that we are equal of points to Macc.

People like to think of them as a tiny club who we should be steamrollering.

Unfortunately we have been pretty toss ourselves the last few seasons and will continue to have some ups and downs.

Players always say that the best managers are those that don’t get over excited when they win and don’t get depressed when we lose... it’s only us fans that allow ourselves to have those emotions.

Yesterday was a terrible shocking performance... it was also one game. 
 

We are a better side than last year, we are performing better on average and we will finish higher than the last two years.

As I said before it’s the hope that kills us... all this rage is because we could have been on the verge of the playoffs if we won... that itself tells us we have improved because those words would have been no where near us last year.

 

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14 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

Incidentally, to the bloke who thought it was OK to use the Ladies at half time, no it wasn’t and in most grounds you’d get chucked out for doing that. 

Utterly ridiculous but for some reason certain ‘local’ away games attract absolute idiots. 

There was a coked up Vale idiot walking past the Co-op constantly shouting abuse in the presence of old people and young children. 

We all get frustrated at times but it’s a real pity people can’t act a little more responsibly as these actions impress no one and just make the individuals look uneducated clowns and give the club a bad name.

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I don't agree with calling for Askey's head (for now), but some of his decisions really do make me question him.

How we've gone from playing most of the season with one striker because we clearly worry about getting overrun in midfield, to playing not just two strikers but a Nathan Jones Diamond - and consequently getting overrun in midfield - is something I can't get my head round. He might as well have phoned up Macc during the week and asked them how they wanted us to play. We were second to everything all over the pitch.

It's probably fair to say that if it wasn't for our home form, John Askey would now be under a wee bit of pressure.

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43 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

I get the disappointment but the true statement should be Macc were better than us yesterday.

to say they are better than us means we should just abandon the league system and judge who is the best team on single results alone.

So Norwich are better than Man City and we are better than Forrest Green who currently sit 4th.

The league table will tell you that we are equal of points to Macc.

People like to think of them as a tiny club who we should be steamrollering.

Unfortunately we have been pretty toss ourselves the last few seasons and will continue to have some ups and downs.

Players always say that the best managers are those that don’t get over excited when they win and don’t get depressed when we lose... it’s only us fans that allow ourselves to have those emotions.

Yesterday was a terrible shocking performance... it was also one game. 
 

We are a better side than last year, we are performing better on average and we will finish higher than the last two years.

As I said before it’s the hope that kills us... all this rage is because we could have been on the verge of the playoffs if we won... that itself tells us we have improved because those words would have been no where near us last year.

 

I agree but would say we have a massively improved squad compared to last year (well on paper anyway). Compare the forward options. And then think that they were up against a back line containing Theo Vassell.

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Well I thought that I would be posting something positive today fit the team and especially for Bennett as he scored the opening goal. I have been critical of Bennett and all I get from others are comments like, he’s our top scorer, bizarre, did you go the game.

well today was exactly the same lots of effort producing very little. When he goes up for an header his head is never near the ball and he sticks his hips into the opponent, his first touch is dubious and his passing ability is poor. As long as he starts the games we will struggle

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4 hours ago, Woakesy said:

Absolutely crazy to even suggest Askey be sacked & frankly typical of some Vale fans.

We’re not the Vale of old, we’re an ok league 2 side and trying to improve. Baby steps unfortunately after being on life support for the last few years.

We are still a work in progress with an unsettled midfield.

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Why change to an unfamiliar diamond for this game?

Why play Pope in a narrow formation? He needs service from out wide!

Why haven't we addressed the problem left back position? (yet another goal conceded down our left)

Why do teams that "haven't won in X games" (7) get their win against us so frequently?

Why don't we ever perform in front of large followings?

Aaarrgggh!!!

 

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I've too just slept on it before posting.
From the start Vale were abject, slow, ponderous, tactically wrong and had the incorrect line up.
OK we went 1 up but by then Macc had easily exposed our frailties at the back. Our shape meant we had no width whatsoever and allowed them to attack our full backs. Also our midfield were run off the park and yet again there were numerous times the opposition just waltzed through, without any tackles going in.
We are a bang average mid table Division 2 table and any position around 12th to 15th is all we can ask with the squad we have so we have to accept that as a push towards  better times after several years of absolute garbage.
Yesterday we had a whole team off colour and we have to rely on a reaction next game to see who really cares about the Club.
Pointless pointing the finger as the majority were totally useless and couldn't even string passes to their colleagues together. I don't think I've ever seen so many players give the ball away and have such dire performances together.
The nearly 1900 Valiants went there in hope that we were turning the corner and getting away from bad days at the office, Macc frankly were there for the taking as they were a poor outfit too. Any half decent Team turning up yesterday would have rolled them over convincingly and that's what bugs us Vale fans.
I agree with many fans around me that the defence needs a real shake up. Time now surely for Askey to change the 2 centre halves and attempt to secure a tighter back four? 


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2 minutes ago, Playa Amodores said:

Well I thought that I would be posting something positive today fit the team and especially for Bennett as he scored the opening goal. I have been critical of Bennett and all I get from others are comments like, he’s our top scorer, bizarre, did you go the game.

well today was exactly the same lots of effort producing very little. When he goes up for an header his head is never near the ball and he sticks his hips into the opponent, his first touch is dubious and his passing ability is poor. As long as he starts the games we will struggle

Absolute poppycock mate.

You really do watch different games to most of us.

Bennett may not be the header of a ball that Tom Pope used to be, however his endeavour and movement cause no end of problems in opponents defences. However we do not have the required attackers to complement a ball winning centre forward.

I like Bennett's effort. He actually can hold a ball up and does lay off to others, watch him closely.  The vast majority of teams we play have "sussed out" Popey and its a different game for them having to mark a more mobile leader of the line.

 

Before anyone crucifies my opinion and says Pope ought to be the main striker, please, please accept he is past his best days , as yesterday proved again.

I'm not slagging him off, just posting common sense that it is high time now for our manager to realise we need something different as the service to Tom or Bennett does not allow them to show their best form.

Yesterday, imo Bennett was one of the few players who gave us fans anything to cheer. 

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Well I thought that I would be posting something positive today fit the team and especially for Bennett as he scored the opening goal. I have been critical of Bennett and all I get from others are comments like, he’s our top scorer, bizarre, did you go the game.
well today was exactly the same lots of effort producing very little. When he goes up for an header his head is never near the ball and he sticks his hips into the opponent, his first touch is dubious and his passing ability is poor. As long as he starts the games we will struggle

Your obsession with Bennett is strange
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Haven’t read through this thread but clearly, although the formation didn’t work, if you can’t pass the ball, and keep turning it over to the opposition, you’re going to struggle.  Far too many players looked way off the pace.  The spark and energy we showed earlier in the season seems to have gone, we’re not pressing with anywhere near the same intensity in the last few games.  Macc were poor but they wanted it far more than we did, and in the end that was the difference.

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Watching a different game to me. Bennett was awful. How many times did he lose the ball or get knocked off the ball? He couldn't keep possession of it which is one (there were many) of the reasons why we never had any sustained possession in their half if the pitch.

Absolute poppycock mate.
You really do watch different games to most of us.
Bennett may not be the header of a ball that Tom Pope used to be, however his endeavour and movement cause no end of problems in opponents defences. However we do not have the required attackers to complement a ball winning centre forward.
I like Bennett's effort. He actually can hold a ball up and does lay off to others, watch him closely.  The vast majority of teams we play have "sussed out" Popey and its a different game for them having to mark a more mobile leader of the line.
 
Before anyone crucifies my opinion and says Pope ought to be the main striker, please, please accept he is past his best days , as yesterday proved again.
I'm not slagging him off, just posting common sense that it is high time now for our manager to realise we need something different as the service to Tom or Bennett does not allow them to show their best form.
Yesterday, imo Bennett was one of the few players who gave us fans anything to cheer. 

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