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I don't agree with calling for Askey's head (for now), but some of his decisions really do make me question him.

How we've gone from playing most of the season with one striker because we clearly worry about getting overrun in midfield, to playing not just two strikers but a Nathan Jones Diamond - and consequently getting overrun in midfield - is something I can't get my head round. He might as well have phoned up Macc during the week and asked them how they wanted us to play. We were second to everything all over the pitch.

It's probably fair to say that if it wasn't for our home form, John Askey would now be under a wee bit of pressure.

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43 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

I get the disappointment but the true statement should be Macc were better than us yesterday.

to say they are better than us means we should just abandon the league system and judge who is the best team on single results alone.

So Norwich are better than Man City and we are better than Forrest Green who currently sit 4th.

The league table will tell you that we are equal of points to Macc.

People like to think of them as a tiny club who we should be steamrollering.

Unfortunately we have been pretty toss ourselves the last few seasons and will continue to have some ups and downs.

Players always say that the best managers are those that don’t get over excited when they win and don’t get depressed when we lose... it’s only us fans that allow ourselves to have those emotions.

Yesterday was a terrible shocking performance... it was also one game. 
 

We are a better side than last year, we are performing better on average and we will finish higher than the last two years.

As I said before it’s the hope that kills us... all this rage is because we could have been on the verge of the playoffs if we won... that itself tells us we have improved because those words would have been no where near us last year.

 

I agree but would say we have a massively improved squad compared to last year (well on paper anyway). Compare the forward options. And then think that they were up against a back line containing Theo Vassell.

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Well I thought that I would be posting something positive today fit the team and especially for Bennett as he scored the opening goal. I have been critical of Bennett and all I get from others are comments like, he’s our top scorer, bizarre, did you go the game.

well today was exactly the same lots of effort producing very little. When he goes up for an header his head is never near the ball and he sticks his hips into the opponent, his first touch is dubious and his passing ability is poor. As long as he starts the games we will struggle

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4 hours ago, Woakesy said:

Absolutely crazy to even suggest Askey be sacked & frankly typical of some Vale fans.

We’re not the Vale of old, we’re an ok league 2 side and trying to improve. Baby steps unfortunately after being on life support for the last few years.

We are still a work in progress with an unsettled midfield.

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Why change to an unfamiliar diamond for this game?

Why play Pope in a narrow formation? He needs service from out wide!

Why haven't we addressed the problem left back position? (yet another goal conceded down our left)

Why do teams that "haven't won in X games" (7) get their win against us so frequently?

Why don't we ever perform in front of large followings?

Aaarrgggh!!!

 

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I've too just slept on it before posting.
From the start Vale were abject, slow, ponderous, tactically wrong and had the incorrect line up.
OK we went 1 up but by then Macc had easily exposed our frailties at the back. Our shape meant we had no width whatsoever and allowed them to attack our full backs. Also our midfield were run off the park and yet again there were numerous times the opposition just waltzed through, without any tackles going in.
We are a bang average mid table Division 2 table and any position around 12th to 15th is all we can ask with the squad we have so we have to accept that as a push towards  better times after several years of absolute garbage.
Yesterday we had a whole team off colour and we have to rely on a reaction next game to see who really cares about the Club.
Pointless pointing the finger as the majority were totally useless and couldn't even string passes to their colleagues together. I don't think I've ever seen so many players give the ball away and have such dire performances together.
The nearly 1900 Valiants went there in hope that we were turning the corner and getting away from bad days at the office, Macc frankly were there for the taking as they were a poor outfit too. Any half decent Team turning up yesterday would have rolled them over convincingly and that's what bugs us Vale fans.
I agree with many fans around me that the defence needs a real shake up. Time now surely for Askey to change the 2 centre halves and attempt to secure a tighter back four? 


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2 minutes ago, Playa Amodores said:

Well I thought that I would be posting something positive today fit the team and especially for Bennett as he scored the opening goal. I have been critical of Bennett and all I get from others are comments like, he’s our top scorer, bizarre, did you go the game.

well today was exactly the same lots of effort producing very little. When he goes up for an header his head is never near the ball and he sticks his hips into the opponent, his first touch is dubious and his passing ability is poor. As long as he starts the games we will struggle

Absolute poppycock mate.

You really do watch different games to most of us.

Bennett may not be the header of a ball that Tom Pope used to be, however his endeavour and movement cause no end of problems in opponents defences. However we do not have the required attackers to complement a ball winning centre forward.

I like Bennett's effort. He actually can hold a ball up and does lay off to others, watch him closely.  The vast majority of teams we play have "sussed out" Popey and its a different game for them having to mark a more mobile leader of the line.

 

Before anyone crucifies my opinion and says Pope ought to be the main striker, please, please accept he is past his best days , as yesterday proved again.

I'm not slagging him off, just posting common sense that it is high time now for our manager to realise we need something different as the service to Tom or Bennett does not allow them to show their best form.

Yesterday, imo Bennett was one of the few players who gave us fans anything to cheer. 

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Well I thought that I would be posting something positive today fit the team and especially for Bennett as he scored the opening goal. I have been critical of Bennett and all I get from others are comments like, he’s our top scorer, bizarre, did you go the game.
well today was exactly the same lots of effort producing very little. When he goes up for an header his head is never near the ball and he sticks his hips into the opponent, his first touch is dubious and his passing ability is poor. As long as he starts the games we will struggle

Your obsession with Bennett is strange
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Haven’t read through this thread but clearly, although the formation didn’t work, if you can’t pass the ball, and keep turning it over to the opposition, you’re going to struggle.  Far too many players looked way off the pace.  The spark and energy we showed earlier in the season seems to have gone, we’re not pressing with anywhere near the same intensity in the last few games.  Macc were poor but they wanted it far more than we did, and in the end that was the difference.

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Watching a different game to me. Bennett was awful. How many times did he lose the ball or get knocked off the ball? He couldn't keep possession of it which is one (there were many) of the reasons why we never had any sustained possession in their half if the pitch.

Absolute poppycock mate.
You really do watch different games to most of us.
Bennett may not be the header of a ball that Tom Pope used to be, however his endeavour and movement cause no end of problems in opponents defences. However we do not have the required attackers to complement a ball winning centre forward.
I like Bennett's effort. He actually can hold a ball up and does lay off to others, watch him closely.  The vast majority of teams we play have "sussed out" Popey and its a different game for them having to mark a more mobile leader of the line.
 
Before anyone crucifies my opinion and says Pope ought to be the main striker, please, please accept he is past his best days , as yesterday proved again.
I'm not slagging him off, just posting common sense that it is high time now for our manager to realise we need something different as the service to Tom or Bennett does not allow them to show their best form.
Yesterday, imo Bennett was one of the few players who gave us fans anything to cheer. 
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16 hours ago, Valist said:
17 hours ago, Andyregs said:
Why change a formation that was working. I know a lot like to go on about two strikers, but the 4-3-3 system suits us. 

Completely agree. Our best performances under Askey both at the end of last season and the start of this have been when we played 4-3-3 with a quick tempo and high press.

The team selection was right just the players lacked fight and spirit and thought they could just turn up to get the points.

We have to accept that this is mostly the same players as last year and really there is no pressure for their places because Askey wasted the budget on poor Squad signings instead of players who could improve the team.How many of Askeys new signings are in the first team.Very few.

There does seem to be a lack of aggression and willingness to roll up their sleeves and fight for every ball.

The Macc players realised after they scored that they could run with the ball through our poor midfield and put us under pressure.

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21 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

Haven’t read through this thread but clearly, although the formation didn’t work, if you can’t pass the ball, and keep turning it over to the opposition, you’re going to struggle.  Far too many players looked way off the pace.  The spark and energy we showed earlier in the season seems to have gone, we’re not pressing with anywhere near the same intensity in the last few games.  Macc were poor but they wanted it far more than we did, and in the end that was the difference.

Correct. People make to much of formations. At the end of the day it’s 11 v 11. Yesterday pathetic if you can’t kick or pass you get nothing. Lost count of the amount of times we failed to find a yellow shirt. Then don’t get me started on being unable to clear a ball! 

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19 minutes ago, Erniemossrules said:

The team selection was right just the players lacked fight and spirit and thought they could just turn up to get the points.

We have to accept that this is mostly the same players as last year and really there is no pressure for their places because Askey wasted the budget on poor Squad signings instead of players who could improve the team.How many of Askeys new signings are in the first team.Very few.

There does seem to be a lack of aggression and willingness to roll up their sleeves and fight for every ball.

The Macc players realised after they scored that they could run with the ball through our poor midfield and put us under pressure.

Amoo, Taylor, Atkinson, crookes, Bennett would be classed as first team players. Burgess getting more time on the pitch. Browne and archer are players lots would like to see more of. Defence and keeper only needed back up players and we have that. Did you want a whole first 11? 

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Let’s say that over the next 4 games we get 4 points from our two home games and, as I fully expect, us to get zilch from two away games at Bradford and Crewe. We’ll then be a point worse off than at the same stage last year under the much-criticised Aspin. Is this progress??

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4 minutes ago, Biddulph_PV said:

Let’s say that over the next 4 games we get 4 points from our two home games and, as I fully expect, us to get zilch from two away games at Bradford and Crewe. We’ll then be a point worse off than at the same stage last year under the much-criticised Aspin. Is this progress??

It’s actually worse because we’ve got better players now too. What’s that tell you ?

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