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Over the years that I’ve supported PVFC, it seems that the atmosphere isn’t as good as it used to be. I’m sure players would perform better if we acknowledged anything good that they do. It would be good if the more creative could develop chants for individual players. We have a chant for Pope and chant Amoos name, as far as I’m aware that’s it. We have Dave Worrall, whose here, he’s there he’s everywhere. The tunes don’t have to be new, but I think it’s avout time we stopped chanting about Mark Stein. Chanting should be an acknowledgement to an individuals or the teams performance, as it’s referred to the 12th man. Good to hear oh when the whites go marching in on Saturday. So come on let’s get behind the team.

I only started submitting to this site on 22/3/19, so sorry if this has already been discussed.

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To be fair the atmosphere has been way better this season. Winning home games helps. Particularly against Plymouth it was very good.

Away it is good at the likes of Salford, Macc, Crewe , 

I don't think games with no away fans, Crawley, Stevenage, Morecambe etc are conducive to a good atmosphere unless we are thrashing them which hasn't happened for a good while. There is definitely a better feel about the home atmosphere there is always room for improvement of course. 

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4 hours ago, toyahw said:

You can't "create" atmosphere. It exists or it doesn't. Been a lot better at VP this season (wonder why?) and Super Vale Away always do more than their bit on our travels.

Toyah, I only go to home games but it’s always been the case that away fans provide a good atmosphere.

Everything is good at the club with s feel good factor around the club. Just thinking that the fans could verbally invest in the players.

appreciate your contribution and yes, no musical instruments especially a drum

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I think one of the issues with Vale Park is it is so big it is difficult to create an atomosphere. So, one way to increase the atmosphere is to simply fill the empty space. To me it's always a no-brainer for the club to engage in free promotion to local schools. A few hundred tickets to a bunch of noisy kids not only puts more people in the ground but there's ancillary effects both short-term (they may boost the sales at the refreshment kiosks, buy a few programmes etc) and in the long-term if we convert one or two into fans then the income for the club is massive.

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Maybe the Steino song could be updated as a Wozzer song?

"Wozzer's not a t****r, he's got no t*****s hat,

He plays for the Vale, and he's not a f*****g t***t

He drives don't the left wing. he drives down the right,

He doesn't score that often, but Wozzer is alright."

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2 hours ago, robf said:

I think one of the issues with Vale Park is it is so big it is difficult to create an atomosphere. So, one way to increase the atmosphere is to simply fill the empty space. To me it's always a no-brainer for the club to engage in free promotion to local schools. A few hundred tickets to a bunch of noisy kids not only puts more people in the ground but there's ancillary effects both short-term (they may boost the sales at the refreshment kiosks, buy a few programmes etc) and in the long-term if we convert one or two into fans then the income for the club is massive.

Robf - there are two small points to make  1) where would you put these noisy children who are there just to make a noise ?   The obvious place would be the Bycars - but the facilities in there are well below school standard. Railway Paddock - definate No - too much bad language and aggro . Railway stand - Maybe but at the Bycars end of it . Disabled stand is a no go ,  The old Family stand could be used but again the terrain and facilities are below school standards. Too steep for lickle legs ! so that leaves the Lorne Street - Yep thats the place to put them if only to counteract the moaners . Well that's sorted - noisy kids to the Lorne street.

  2) Stoke have been doing that for years and it makes no difference. Stokes "Loud and Proud" tag is both ancient and deceased. It was OK when they first went into the premier league but the decibel level and commitment has been on a steady decline since they got rid of Tony P.  In stoke's case the only revenue increase is in the food they consume as Coates funds everything else.  If he keeps giving out free tickets it wont be long before these freebies are scaling the directors box to bite the hands that feed them !.

Someone said that the away fans create an atmosphere at the Vale - yes they do and how do they do it ?  Because they are in a big end with great facilities ? No - its because they are concentrated into a small area and not allowed to disperse across the whole Hamil end . Their noise is generated from a small area and bounces towards the pitch. The Vales noise is spread all around the other three side. Going back 50 years the crowd size was similar to what they are today and the hamil end was open but the volume of noise was about the same if not better and that was because the noise was all centred from the Bycars - Ok it was split into the "Right Side" or the less effective "Left Side" of the Tea bar but there certainly was noise generated . Even when we changed ends to the Hamil, folk gathered into a concentrated group so as to make the noise heard throughout the ground.  

At the next match just look at how the Vale staff concentrate the away fans into a noise generating section and then compare that to where the Noisiest Vale fans are - In the Railway - but not now in the Paddock but split between the Paddock and the stand .  Again spreading the noise to thinly.   The Liverpool Kop has never spread its capacity but Manchester U has totally taken away the vocal side of football by almost completely doing away with the Stretford end effect. 

At Vale away games - its the same people making the noise but they are concentrated into a smaller area !   

Get all the noisy Vale Fans in one place - play good football and that will generate a far more effective vocal support than some very young children. 

That is an opinion for what it is worth.

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12 minutes ago, The man in the pub said:

Not being on the pitch so difficult to guess how it sounds to the players . Perhaps one to ask the players sometime. Its a different type  of sound at the Vale as the songs starts in the Railway, then sweeps around to the Bycars and finishes in Lorne st. Sort of a wrap around sound.

Excellent suggestion - 

Hey Carol - I'm sure you're reading all these posts - how about doing a straw poll of all the playing staff as to how effective vocal support is , and if it is better concentrated or not.

Oh and one other thing - regarding away fans - when your staff guestimate how many are coming tell them to put the "safety" nets just far enough from the Lorne Street side to accommodate them. 

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Cheers pensioner for calling us Lorne Streeters "moaners!"  There are as many that "moan" in other areas of Vale Park as Lorne Street my friend. In actual fact the noise generated in Lorne street is quite considerable especially as there is a smaller area there under cover of the stands etc.

We do as much as we can to generate an atmosphere there so please don't suggest we are simply moaners and not singers/noise makers!

I'm not sure of the percentages at Vale with "old uns/youngsters" but I do accept that we in Lorne street do have a large contingent of what you would call ageing fans. However we are ardent and noisy believe me. As an old un myself I do not need a megaphone to express my support for Vale and indeed at the many away games I frequent I try and join in the general chorus of support for our heroes.

My own input into the atmosphere aspect has been aired many times in the past and I still believe Vale fans ought to be able to enter Hamil Road end as that is an ideal place to give vocal support to the Home Team, plus the facilities there are better than the Railway areas. However it's known that there are many who oppose this idea, including the police and staunch Railway fans.

As for the kids who scream and holler throughout games I'm all for placing them anywhere that is available, including Lorne Street. In fact we do have a reasonably large contingent nowadays in Lorne street of the very young patrons, who parade up and down the front all match. Good on 'em. 

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4 hours ago, robf said:

I think one of the issues with Vale Park is it is so big it is difficult to create an atomosphere. So, one way to increase the atmosphere is to simply fill the empty space. To me it's always a no-brainer for the club to engage in free promotion to local schools. A few hundred tickets to a bunch of noisy kids not only puts more people in the ground but there's ancillary effects both short-term (they may boost the sales at the refreshment kiosks, buy a few programmes etc) and in the long-term if we convert one or two into fans then the income for the club is massive.

Absolutely spot on. I went to Moorland Road High. That’s exactly what used to happen and that’s how I was able to go to VP. Still there 43 years later. I mentioned this in one of my first submissions, last season when I feared the worst fir PVFC. I hear that Carol & Kevin do a lot for communities and those that are fiscally challenged so I hope it’s an avenue that they explore. I thought the young ppl could be put into the Bycars, as there seem to be more empty seats in that part of the ground. Also when your behind the goal you’re right on top of the action in that goal mouth.

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3 hours ago, toyahw said:

Maybe the Steino song could be updated as a Wozzer song?

"Wozzer's not a t****r, he's got no t*****s hat,

He plays for the Vale, and he's not a f*****g t***t

He drives don't the left wing. he drives down the right,

He doesn't score that often, but Wozzer is alright."

Toyah,

Wiw there are a few expletives in that chant. I wouldn’t want to give Staffordshire’s finest the chance to start arresting fans for a section 5 public order offence. The knock on affect with it being committed in a football ground would mean a football banning order. I do like the fact that you’ve taken time to create a chant, we’ll done, but we need fans paying to get in the ground not being banned.

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3 hours ago, MelbourneValiant said:

There is less chance to develop any players name songs now with the depressing, crappy, souless, decrepit song Glad All Over played over the tannoy. It is long overdue for goal music to be <ovf censored> off for good. It is an embarrassment clap like a seal moment. 

More people should come sit in the Bycars where you can't hear it! 

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44 minutes ago, Playa Amodores said:

Toyah,

Wiw there are a few expletives in that chant. I wouldn’t want to give Staffordshire’s finest the chance to start arresting fans for a section 5 public order offence. The knock on affect with it being committed in a football ground would mean a football banning order. I do like the fact that you’ve taken time to create a chant, we’ll done, but we need fans paying to get in the ground not being banned.

I was just modifying the  Steino chant for Wozza. A chant for Wozza you wanted right? Now whether swearing is acceptable is a separate question. But the Steino chant does involve swearing. If you want a clean version;

"Wozzer's not a bad chap, he's got no bad chap's hat,

He plays for the Vale, and he's not a naughty prat,

He drives don't the left wing. he drives down the right,

He doesn't score that often, but Wozzer is alright."

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