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Things are quite positive IMO for PVFC at the moment. I’m basing this on our league results, forget the Grimsby result.

Do you think we should be negotiating new contracts with players whose contracts expire in summer  and if so when, should this be done. I’m personal in of  J Archer. Do you have any nominations 

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8 hours ago, Playa Amodores said:

Things are quite positive IMO for PVFC at the moment. I’m basing this on our league results, forget the Grimsby result.

Do you think we should be negotiating new contracts with players whose contracts expire in summer  and if so when, should this be done. I’m personal in of  J Archer. Do you have any nominations 

Archer may have looked good but he’s played what 2/3 games. January, if he still looks decent then and can stay injury free then we offer a new deal. 

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Don't forget that Amoo is only a one year deal! He would be top of the list for me.

I personally think it needs to be December so they are locked down ahead of the January window. Don't want any bids (see Alex Jones > Bradford, Tom Anderson > Doncaster) turning their heads.

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1 minute ago, robf said:

Don't forget that Amoo is only a one year deal! He would be top of the list for me.

I personally think it needs to be December so they are locked down ahead of the January window. Don't want any bids (see Alex Jones > Bradford, Tom Anderson > Doncaster) turning their heads.

Slightly different situation as those two were on loan and Anderson's parent club wanted him to play in a higher league

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44 minutes ago, Smugsy said:

Slightly different situation as those two were on loan and Anderson's parent club wanted him to play in a higher league

It was the concept rather than the exact same situation. I'm saying I would tie up the deals before the window opens so there's no possibility of say a Plymouth coming in, making a bid and offering to double someone's wages.

I'm not saying any of these players would - but the offer of big wages can be such that players effectively down tools and sulk until they get their move.

By securing them long-term before the window opens, it makes any of the above far less likely. 

I just think it's common sense to negotiate with them while the window is closed and there are no bids from other clubs then to negotiate at a time when other clubs are free to express an interest and a player's agent may decide the grass is greener elsewhere.

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What Rob says. If there’s going to be interest from other clubs, and I’m sure certain young players are already being watched then we should start negotiations early. Normally we start November time. However there’s no guarantee a player will sign now anyway, they could bide their time and wait like manny and Hannant did last year. It worked for one of them and backfired on the other. 

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Should be offering everyone we want to stay at the start of October. Chances are we'll lock a few of them into new contracts straight away. Best to get talks going now, if we do pick up towards the upper end of the table we don't want everything falling to pieces in Jan.

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38 minutes ago, Rampant Zebra said:

Players will be reluctant to commit themselves to a deal before they know what is out there anyway, or rather their agent will be reluctant. We have to accept that some players are going to stay and some are going to go. 

While that's true, in recent years it frustrated me that Vale took that as an excuse to not even try and offer new deals early. In my view it's better to offer your key players an improved deal in the hope they will sign it than simply not bother. So, while it may be the case that some players may not take up the offer of a new deal, the club should at least make the offer.

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2 hours ago, valiant_593 said:

Archer may have looked good but he’s played what 2/3 games. January, if he still looks decent then and can stay injury free then we offer a new deal. 

I saw him play for Bury in the friendly at VP. I know it was only a friendly and I was mightily impressed with his performance. He was easily the best player on the pitch and I was wishing that we had someone like him in our team. He was quick decent touch, not afraid to get stuck in and gave our defenders a hard time. It’s a few years since I’ve seen a player like Archer playing for the Vale, plenty of other teams seem to have them, when they play against ourselves. JA must have been impressed also as he purchased him on the strength of his performance in the friendly game. He is the only option we have, if we need to play with just one up front. I prefer to have two up front but sometimes I appreciate that that’s not possible especially if the opposition have a strong midfield.

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1 hour ago, robf said:

While that's true, in recent years it frustrated me that Vale took that as an excuse to not even try and offer new deals early. In my view it's better to offer your key players an improved deal in the hope they will sign it than simply not bother. So, while it may be the case that some players may not take up the offer of a new deal, the club should at least make the offer.

Problem is that it establishes a baseline for other offers, if a player gets an offer of say £1000 a week from us, he can use that to say I want more to move. We still don't get to sign him if someone makes a better offer, he is just using us to bump the price up. 

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I believe we should follow examples of successful managers, Alex Ferguson for one.  Tell all the players and agents which month deals will be presented.  That needs to be far enough into the season to establish consistency from a player.  It is no good signing up a supposed world beater after 10 games to see them disappear in November.  

 

John Askey's strategy for recruitment is, so far, looking good, I think he will be sensible and probably not be too far away from this model I support.  It worked last close season when he secured Manny.  The positivity of our owners is also a factor in player retention.

 

We should not be obsessing about this too soon, and right now is far too soon.  I would set a date of February.

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