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Match Thread: Port Vale v Mansfield Town.


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11 minutes ago, Rampant Zebra said:

I think Taylor looks promising but I hope we don't overuse him and make him burn out. Big step up from U23 football for a young lad. I think I would try Cullen 

Maybe so, but there's also the viewpoint that we now have loan players good enough to play in the starting 11, & they're here to get as much game time as possible. They're young, the more they play, the fitter/better/stronger they'll get. I imagine we're trying to shake off the bad reputation of the last few years too that was created by signing loanees & not playing them.

 

Gibbo was thrown straight into the side at a younger age than him, best time to test them I reckon. Need to get used to playing consistently, or there's a risk they may not be able to handle it later on (as we've seen with some injury prone permanent players).

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On 18/09/2019 at 16:44, davehartshill said:

Pope has done nothing wrong he’s just slightly behind a more mobile, quicker striker that has scored a few goals so far this season. I’m pretty sure Pope will get a chance sooner or later and I hope he takes it. I’d quite like to see him and Bennett play together as it would really give teams something to think about. I can’t see us switching to 442, though. 

Hopefully we have Gibbons, Manny and Amoo back for Saturday!

I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Montano dropped as he was a total passenger for most of the Newport, Plymouth and Exeter games. 

Would agree with you about Monty for 99% of games (and said before Plymouth that I would drop him), but being fair, i thought that he was excellent in the Plymouth game. If he could do that every game, I would be very happy.  Sounds like the old Monty was back fro Exeter though! 

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13 minutes ago, Tomo said:

& Leon Constantine, despite his goals. Remember doing very well the season after he left...

I always remember being in the Lorne St and there were some blokes yelling can't be "bothered" again Constantine? Minutes before he scored the winner. Leon then came over to the Lorne St and gave them a right mouthfull and a finger salute.

He looked lazy but my attitude was he can look as lazy as he likes as long as he keeps banging them in. Didn't half get some stick though from some of the Lorne St moaners.

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The striking difference is that Montano is a bit lazy but he doesn’t score 20 goals a season or get 10+ assists a season. He always looks like he isn’t giving 100%. I’m not sure whether that’s because he’s scared of getting injured again, though. He won’t be dropped because we don’t have the luxury of a decent enough replacement. 

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I don't think it "laziness" but a state of mind or feel. Over the years I've read many skilled players, particularly wingers, describe days when they wanted the ball, they felt as they could do anything with the ball on that particular day, beat any man but the same players would describe other days when the magic just wasn't there, it wasn't for the want of trying but it just wasn't there for some reason. Even George Best said something similar.

Over the years at Vale I've seen wingers who were brilliant one week but not so good others and often the not so good days outnumber the good days 'cause it's harder to create or do something special often.

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42 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:

I don't think it "laziness" but a state of mind or feel. Over the years I've read many skilled players, particularly wingers, describe days when they wanted the ball, they felt as they could do anything with the ball on that particular day, beat any man but the same players would describe other days when the magic just wasn't there, it wasn't for the want of trying but it just wasn't there for some reason. Even George Best said something similar.

Over the years at Vale I've seen wingers who were brilliant one week but not so good others and often the not so good days outnumber the good days 'cause it's harder to create or do something special often.

Depends how the team is set up, the style and quality of the opposition, how the game develops, supply and timing of passes, marking by opposition. But a good run and attempt on goal or killer pass can lift up the team and cause apprehension in the opposing defence.  The likes of Ainsworth cost a lot of money. Managers can analysis the opposition and the state of play in a game, but changes depend on availability on the bench. A winger may be more effective in the 2nd half as the defence tires, how many markers can be used against him is another factor. 

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I think Monty is good when he goes on his own, his distribution is quite poor, I’d rather have him as a left back personally. I’d stick with Taylor as I believe Conlon has been coasting. I think I’d have kept Hannant and moved Conlon on in the summer. Up front I don’t think Bennett is the answer, I can’t fault the amount of energy he uses, running around. I’d personally go with Pope, but okay someone close to him. Again the last time I saw a player play close and feed off him was Whitfield against Luton. I wonder if Cullen is wondering why we brought him to VP. The sooner Archer is March fit I think the answer to our forward position will be sorted.

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With the injuries we're having I think it's clear that we needed an extra proven midfield player rather than all these wingers/forwards.

Oyeleke's absence can't be covered adequately and when he's out we are much worse in midfield. And yet we've often got 2-3 forwards sitting on the bench, plus the three we start with.

There's an imbalance. But it's too late to remedy it now.

One of the reasons why we don't play two strikers at home is because the two central midfield men, plus two wingers, are not collectively good enough when we don't have the ball. So we look stuck playing with a lone striker at present which goes some way to explaining why we don't often score more than a solitary goal.

From memory, in the late sixties, I think we once scored 4 goals in 4 successive home games. Wouldn't that be nice?!

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