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Match Thread: Port Vale v Plymouth Argyle


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Anyone who comes onto P&G and keeps wanting to refer to their previous quotes as some sort of Vale guru is just doing so to gain attention that is probably missing in their day to day life. It’s a bit of a shame really. Also,does anyone cringe when the young woman comes on and spouts about how great we are, the has to get a dig in at Sjoke?  Last year, she was the one who tried to mitigate some of our “bright youths” throwing flares back at the unwashed, because they threw them at us. 

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A lot of football battles are won and lost in stats and maths now. There’s commercial software out there used by all clued up professional clubs that assists with scouting and match analysis. Literally do a database search for a league one full back with X number of successful interceptions per Y number of attempts who’s also under 28 but above 6’3 and it’ll spit out the results just like football manager. The big one is called Wyscout. Video clips and stat analysis on everything. Proper Moneyball. The better equipped clubs have cameras running during the match and have monitors in the dug out for live analysis and instant replays. That Man City documentary on amazon showed they have monitors up in the dressing room at HT showing the players what areas or vulnerable oppo players to press.

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I’m glad that analysis site picked up this behaviour from Crookes below as it’s something I noticed a few times in the first half. 
 

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He’d go and challenge the header, but in doing so would leave an awful amount of space behind for the potential flick on from Edwards if he won it - which Edwards did constantly. Can’t recall Crookes successfully challenging it once. I worried every time it happened that the flick on would find Mayor or Sarcevic who’d play through a totally unmarked Moore to go clean through. Fortunately it didn’t happen.

This sort of stuff is what Notts County’s new owners do for a living which could work out really well for them but I’m hopeful that the Shanahans experience and expertise, contacts in and appreciation of big data and IT will lead to investment on this side of the game for Vale. Obviously we already have a video analysis set up but becoming one of the better football league clubs at doing it outside of the riches of the top of the championship with carefully considered and reasonable investment and facilities can only be a good thing and could directly lead to a somewhat bigger points tally every April. Higher finish/promotion = more FL prize money. Rudgey isn’t going to be round watching transfer targets forever. The top clubs invest in data analysis for very good reason, it gives them the edge in acquisitions and winning games. 

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The level of planning even in division 2 is quite high. It also makes it harder for fans to judge who is in the wrong as players have roles to take against particular teams and quite often the mistake is made because another player isn't where he should be ..... so someone is split between where he should be defending and a space left by someone else. Some of the scrapier games (Newport was one) are because both teams have done their homework and then constantly adapt to changes the other has made, so end up just cancelling one another out. Every video of every game is pretty much available now so there are few secrets.

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28 minutes ago, JRC said:

The level of planning even in division 2 is quite high. It also makes it harder for fans to judge who is in the wrong as players have roles to take against particular teams and quite often the mistake is made because another player isn't where he should be ..... so someone is split between where he should be defending and a space left by someone else. Some of the scrapier games (Newport was one) are because both teams have done their homework and then constantly adapt to changes the other has made, so end up just cancelling one another out. Every video of every game is pretty much available now so there are few secrets.

Totally agree. I said at half time on Saturday that we’d obviously set up to virtually go man for man, and going back to a point made earlier we saw our full backs put a real shift in to close down their wing backs. But at times they had a runner doing past our full back and in to the full backs space behind them with no one tracking him from midfield. 

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