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55 minutes ago, Andyregs said:

It somewhat explains his climate change denial, when you can ignore so much evidence and then be convinced by the not flimsy evidence otherwise. 

Ive already said that they will all eventually deny it. But they are all complicit. 

Who denies climate change, the climate has and always will change. For solid sound scientific reasons I consider Carbon Dioxide is not driving climate change and there is no evidence in the scientific literature to show it does.

You can't even get your accusations correct, give your fantasies a rest.

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34 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:

Hey D*g *h*t, at least you didn't cut and past that post, that's why it's a load of rubbish and as far off the mark as it's possible to be.

That’s all you ever say without giving anything of substance. 

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11 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:

Who denies climate change, the climate has and always will change. For solid sound scientific reasons I consider Carbon Dioxide is not driving climate change and there is no evidence in the scientific literature to show it does.

You can't even get your accusations correct, give your fantasies a rest.

I think it fits

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial

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4 hours ago, Andyregs said:

That’s all you ever say without giving anything of substance. 

There is nothing of substance to say to a cut and paste merchant with a potty mouth although bad on me to retaliate.

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3 hours ago, Andyregs said:

The party that does nothing to combat foreign interference in their elections also continuously trying to stop people voting. Now I wonder why. 

https://lawandcrime.com/civil-rights/federal-judge-declares-gop-poll-tax-unconstitutional-says-state-cant-restrict-right-to-vote-based-on-ability-to-pay/

This is what is important;

Democrats have been trying to impeach Trump from the day he became President and planning to smear him since July 2016

No election collusion with the Russians

No high crimes of high misdemeanors committed during the conversation with the Ukrainian president

The USA economy is the strongest it's been for sometime, lowest unemployment rate among ethnic minorities for a long time if not ever. Many countries are benefiting from increased trade  due to the strong USA economy

Trump is putting America and it's people first.

Trump is not a career politician and some of his methods are unorthodox but that's what the American people voted for.

There is nowhere to go in this discussion as your extreme left wing views don't allow you to see the wood from the trees. Your maniacal hatred of Trump and his family is beyond rational discussion, the flotsum and jetsum you continually cherry pick and paste is funny as it's tangential and irrelevant at best. 

Let's resume this discussion when Barr, Durham and Horowitz have published their conclusions but in the mean time take a look at books by Peter Schweizer and one by Gregg Jarrett, they may enlighten you if you don't let you extreme left wing bias get in the way.

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9 hours ago, Paul6754 said:

There is nothing of substance to say to a cut and paste merchant with a potty mouth although bad on me to retaliate.

In everything you’ve said, Including below.

9 hours ago, Paul6754 said:

Fits what? For the umpteenth time, there is no consensus on anthropogenic climate change, science isn't done by consensus.

But we’ve all now seen how you are able to discount reams of evidence because it doesn’t fit your worldview and clutch onto the most biased and obscure because it does. Your ability to see the evidence is apparent all through this thread. 

8 hours ago, Paul6754 said:

This is what is important;

1. Democrats have been trying to impeach Trump from the day he became President and planning to smear him since July 2016

2. No election collusion with the Russians

3. No high crimes of high misdemeanors committed during the conversation with the Ukrainian president

4. The USA economy is the strongest it's been for sometime, lowest unemployment rate among ethnic minorities for a long time if not ever. Many countries are benefiting from increased trade  due to the strong USA economy

Trump is putting America and it's people first.

5. Trump is not a career politician and some of his methods are unorthodox but that's what the American people voted for.

6. There is nowhere to go in this discussion as your extreme left wing views don't allow you to see the wood from the trees. Your maniacal hatred of Trump and his family is beyond rational discussion, the flotsum and jetsum you continually cherry pick and paste is funny as it's tangential and irrelevant at best. 

7. Let's resume this discussion when Barr, Durham and Horowitz have published their conclusions but in the mean time take a look at books by Peter Schweizer and one by Gregg Jarrett, they may enlighten you if you don't let you extreme left wing bias get in the way.

1. He’s been committing crimes since then

2. You won’t answer clearly, because you never do, but are you using the mueller report that you said was a farce, or words to that effect. We’ll go from there once you as we’re because for someone who hates cherry picking, you haven’t half gone and done a bill Barr.

3. Except the ones he’s being impeached for. 

4. Already covered this. I thinks the words you republicans say is ‘thanks Obama’ 

5. An unusual was to write incompetent.

6. This is coming from the group who have chanted ‘lock her up’ for 3 years, killed a few of the opposition, and run Nuremberg rallies every other week. The cherry picked cut and paste are actual links that source and back up what I say. I understand you struggle with that because the best you’ve done is Glenn beck. And again, picking out the crimes isn’t cherry picking. Let’s put it simply, if a man is in court for murder, the prosecutor is going to probably focus on the murder. 

7. Bill Barr is as corrupt as the rest. He’s literally being travelling Europe to find dirt on the finding of his own office. He purposely mis-informed the American public about the contents of the mueller report. He help fix the Iran contra affair. 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/26/opinion/trump-william-barr.html

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/ag-bill-barr-finds-himself-neck-deep-trump-scandal

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-dangerous-position-of-william-barr

and so on. 

If we are are having a book club, what about Michael wolff, or Bob Woodward? Not sure why we are doing that though. 

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BUT BUT BUT HES BRINGING THE TROOPS HOME LIKE HE PROMISED 1!1!1!1!!!!!!1!

In reality 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50117765

American troops "aren't coming home and the United States isn't leaving the turbulent Middle East, according to current plans outlined by U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper before he arrived in Afghanistan on Sunday," the Associated Press reported. "The fight in Syria against [ISIS], once spearheaded by American allied Syrian Kurds who have been cast aside by Trump, will be undertaken by U.S. forces, possibly from neighboring Iraq."

Esper told reporters that he has spoken to Iraqi leaders about the administration's plan to move around 1,000 American troops from Syria to Iraq, where 5,000 U.S. soldiers remain stationed 16 years after the George W. Bush administration's catastrophic and illegal invasion.

Reuters reported early Monday that it spotted "more than 100 vehicles" crossing into Iraq from northeastern Syria.

News that the Trump administration is shifting American forces from Syria to Iraq rather than returning them to the U.S. comes just two weeks after the Pentagon ordered 1,800 troops to Saudi Arabia, a move critics said put the lie to the president's claim that he is attempting to end perpetual wars.

"Remember when Donald Trump tweeted that he was 'trying to end the endless wars?' That was yesterday," Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, saidat the time. "Today he's sending thousands of troops, warplanes, and missiles to his dictator friends in Saudi Arabia to escalate military tensions with Iran."

 

Puddled Paul picked a peck of pickled propaganda 

 

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21 hours ago, Doha said:

BUT BUT BUT HES BRINGING THE TROOPS HOME LIKE HE PROMISED 1!1!1!1!!!!!!1!

In reality 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50117765

American troops "aren't coming home and the United States isn't leaving the turbulent Middle East, according to current plans outlined by U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper before he arrived in Afghanistan on Sunday," the Associated Press reported. "The fight in Syria against [ISIS], once spearheaded by American allied Syrian Kurds who have been cast aside by Trump, will be undertaken by U.S. forces, possibly from neighboring Iraq."

Esper told reporters that he has spoken to Iraqi leaders about the administration's plan to move around 1,000 American troops from Syria to Iraq, where 5,000 U.S. soldiers remain stationed 16 years after the George W. Bush administration's catastrophic and illegal invasion.

Reuters reported early Monday that it spotted "more than 100 vehicles" crossing into Iraq from northeastern Syria.

News that the Trump administration is shifting American forces from Syria to Iraq rather than returning them to the U.S. comes just two weeks after the Pentagon ordered 1,800 troops to Saudi Arabia, a move critics said put the lie to the president's claim that he is attempting to end perpetual wars.

"Remember when Donald Trump tweeted that he was 'trying to end the endless wars?' That was yesterday," Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, saidat the time. "Today he's sending thousands of troops, warplanes, and missiles to his dictator friends in Saudi Arabia to escalate military tensions with Iran."

 

Puddled Paul picked a peck of pickled propaganda 

 

You don't see the bigger picture Dog s*i*, stick with cutting and pasting.

The Middle East is a turbulent place, American Troops are stationed there and are moved around as, when and where they're needed but the ultimate goal of Trump and the American people is to bring the Troops home and end American involvement in endless, pointless, centuries old wars/conflict thousands of miles from the USA.  The American Public are fed up of involvement in the Middle East and in footing the bill.

Americans want the focus to be on the conflict/crisis closer to home eg Southern Border with Mexico.

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On 19/10/2019 at 04:57, Paul6754 said:

Obviously you don't know but one of Trump's election promises was to end meaningless, costly wars, particularly in the Middle East and bring American soldiers home, the American people are tired of seeing returning body bags. Trump did what he promised to do, why should Americans be involved on the Turkey/Syria border, why should American troops be standing between centuries old enemies in an area 1000's of miles away, I as an American tax payer applaud him for protecting American soldiers.

 

hahahahahaha.

 

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Uh oh!

https://games-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/542ee36f-eafc-4f2b-a075-b3b492d981a5/note/75965f57-6561-42f8-af40-a9e984a85660.pdf

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William Taylor, envoy to Ukraine, testifies Trump tied Ukraine aid to politically motivated investigations

The top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine testified on Tuesday he was told that President Donald Trump made the release of security aid to Ukraine contingent on Kiev publicly declaring it would carry out politically motivated investigations that he sought, according to a copy of his statement to lawmakers.

Bill Taylor is a West Point graduate that was first appointed as Ambassador to Ukraine by George W Bush.

Just wanted to make that known before the right wingers launch into their smear campaign against him. Good luck.

Plenty of sources below for puddled Paul so he can decide which publications are fake news this particular week.

 

US' top diplomat Taylor was told Trump wanted aid withheld until Ukraine said it would investigate Biden edition.cnn.com
Diplomat’s Testimony Drew “Direct Line” Between Military Funds and Biden Probe motherjones.com
William Taylor testifies about deep-seated push for Ukraine quid pro quo politico.com
Diplomat says he was told U.S. aid for Ukraine tied to request for probes: Washington Post reuters.com
Read:Top US diplomat to Ukraine's opening statement for impeachment inquiry cnn.com
Bill Taylor’s Testimony Paints a 'Damning' Picture of Trump's Ukraine Quid Pro Quo; "It was the most damning testimony that I've heard so far" says Wasserman Shultz vice.com
US’ top Ukraine diplomat testifies he was told ‘everything’ depended on Ukraine announcing investigations wgno.com
Diplomat says he was told that Ukraine military aid was linked to investigations into Bidens and 2016 election cnbc.com
Read: Taylor’s Damning Testimony On Ukraine Pressure Campaign talkingpointsmemo.com
Top Diplomat Confirms There Was Quid Pro Quo Demand In Trump's Ukraine Call: Reports huffpost.com
Donald Trump 'lynching' comment on impeachment probe is condemned as US diplomat William Taylor testifies abc.net.au
Opening statement of Ambassador William B. Taylor washingtonpost.com
Top diplomat Bill Taylor gave 'disturbing,' 'explosive' testimony on Trump's Ukraine dealings, Democrats say — Democrats said a "direct line" between the president's demand for an investigation by the Ukrainians into his political rivals and U.S. military aid. nbcnews.com
Diplomat says Ukraine aid was tied to political investigations thehill.com
3 takeaways from Bill Taylor’s crucial opening statement washingtonpost.com
U.S. envoy: Trump tied Ukraine aid to Biden, DNC investigations axios.com
Ukraine ambassador says in 'damning' testimony that he was told Trump wanted quid pro quo deal, report says independent.co.uk
Ukraine Envoy Testifies Trump Linked Military Aid to Investigations, Lawmaker Says nytimes.com
Today’s Impeach-O-Meter: Gasp-Inducing Testimony Confirms Corrupt Quid Pro Quo for Billionth Time slate.com
Democrats Say Ambassador William Taylor's Testimony On Ukraine Is 'Disturbing' npr.org
Ambassador testifies he was told "everything" depended on Ukraine announcing investigations edition.cnn.com
Trump Wanted Zelensky to Publicly Say He Was Investigating Biden thedailybeast.com
‘Sighs and gasps’ from House Members Hearing Latest Testimony in Impeachment Inquiry ijr.com
Volker urged Ukraine’s Zelensky to convince Trump he would investigate corruption - Weeks before Trump July 25 phone call, U.S. diplomat discussed investigations with Zelensky at a Toronto meeting marketwatch.com
Volker pressed Zelensky to convince Trump he would launch investigations before call: Report thehill.com
I was told Trump wanted quid pro quo deal, Ukraine ambassador reportedly testifies – live - US news theguardian.com
Taylor: Sondland And Volker Separately Compared Trump’s Ukraine Aid Holdup To A Biz Deal talkingpointsmemo.com
Top US diplomat in Ukraine tells Congress investigating Bidens and election interference tied to aid money abcnews.go.com
Ambassador William Taylor Ties Ukraine Aid Holdup Directly To Trump wuwm.com
The Top US Diplomat To Ukraine Was “Alarmed” The US Insisted Ukraine Help Trump With Investigations In Exchange For Aid Money buzzfeednews.com
Legal Experts Sum Up U.S. Diplomat’s Testimony on Ukraine as ‘Devastating’ for Trump lawandcrime.com
Testimony by Top Diplomat Bill Taylor on Trump and Ukraine Elicits 'Holy Sh*t' Responses From Members of Congress commondreams.org
Bill Taylor may be blowing the Trump-Ukraine scandal wide open washingtonpost.com
6 Key Revelations of Taylor’s Opening Statement to Impeachment Investigators nytimes.com
The 5 Bombshells From Bill Taylor's Testimony on Trump and Ukraine vice.com

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12 minutes ago, Doha said:

Uh oh!

https://games-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/542ee36f-eafc-4f2b-a075-b3b492d981a5/note/75965f57-6561-42f8-af40-a9e984a85660.pdf

Plenty of sources below for puddled Paul so he can decide which publications are fake news this particular week.

 

US' top diplomat Taylor was told Trump wanted aid withheld until Ukraine said it would investigate Biden edition.cnn.com
Diplomat’s Testimony Drew “Direct Line” Between Military Funds and Biden Probe motherjones.com
William Taylor testifies about deep-seated push for Ukraine quid pro quo politico.com
Diplomat says he was told U.S. aid for Ukraine tied to request for probes: Washington Post reuters.com
Read:Top US diplomat to Ukraine's opening statement for impeachment inquiry cnn.com
Bill Taylor’s Testimony Paints a 'Damning' Picture of Trump's Ukraine Quid Pro Quo; "It was the most damning testimony that I've heard so far" says Wasserman Shultz vice.com
US’ top Ukraine diplomat testifies he was told ‘everything’ depended on Ukraine announcing investigations wgno.com
Diplomat says he was told that Ukraine military aid was linked to investigations into Bidens and 2016 election cnbc.com
Read: Taylor’s Damning Testimony On Ukraine Pressure Campaign talkingpointsmemo.com
Top Diplomat Confirms There Was Quid Pro Quo Demand In Trump's Ukraine Call: Reports huffpost.com
Donald Trump 'lynching' comment on impeachment probe is condemned as US diplomat William Taylor testifies abc.net.au
Opening statement of Ambassador William B. Taylor washingtonpost.com
Top diplomat Bill Taylor gave 'disturbing,' 'explosive' testimony on Trump's Ukraine dealings, Democrats say — Democrats said a "direct line" between the president's demand for an investigation by the Ukrainians into his political rivals and U.S. military aid. nbcnews.com
Diplomat says Ukraine aid was tied to political investigations thehill.com
3 takeaways from Bill Taylor’s crucial opening statement washingtonpost.com
U.S. envoy: Trump tied Ukraine aid to Biden, DNC investigations axios.com
Ukraine ambassador says in 'damning' testimony that he was told Trump wanted quid pro quo deal, report says independent.co.uk
Ukraine Envoy Testifies Trump Linked Military Aid to Investigations, Lawmaker Says nytimes.com
Today’s Impeach-O-Meter: Gasp-Inducing Testimony Confirms Corrupt Quid Pro Quo for Billionth Time slate.com
Democrats Say Ambassador William Taylor's Testimony On Ukraine Is 'Disturbing' npr.org
Ambassador testifies he was told "everything" depended on Ukraine announcing investigations edition.cnn.com
Trump Wanted Zelensky to Publicly Say He Was Investigating Biden thedailybeast.com
‘Sighs and gasps’ from House Members Hearing Latest Testimony in Impeachment Inquiry ijr.com
Volker urged Ukraine’s Zelensky to convince Trump he would investigate corruption - Weeks before Trump July 25 phone call, U.S. diplomat discussed investigations with Zelensky at a Toronto meeting marketwatch.com
Volker pressed Zelensky to convince Trump he would launch investigations before call: Report thehill.com
I was told Trump wanted quid pro quo deal, Ukraine ambassador reportedly testifies – live - US news theguardian.com
Taylor: Sondland And Volker Separately Compared Trump’s Ukraine Aid Holdup To A Biz Deal talkingpointsmemo.com
Top US diplomat in Ukraine tells Congress investigating Bidens and election interference tied to aid money abcnews.go.com
Ambassador William Taylor Ties Ukraine Aid Holdup Directly To Trump wuwm.com
The Top US Diplomat To Ukraine Was “Alarmed” The US Insisted Ukraine Help Trump With Investigations In Exchange For Aid Money buzzfeednews.com
Legal Experts Sum Up U.S. Diplomat’s Testimony on Ukraine as ‘Devastating’ for Trump lawandcrime.com
Testimony by Top Diplomat Bill Taylor on Trump and Ukraine Elicits 'Holy Sh*t' Responses From Members of Congress commondreams.org
Bill Taylor may be blowing the Trump-Ukraine scandal wide open washingtonpost.com
6 Key Revelations of Taylor’s Opening Statement to Impeachment Investigators nytimes.com
The 5 Bombshells From Bill Taylor's Testimony on Trump and Ukraine vice.com

You're so funny and pathethetic D** S**t,  your cutting and pasting is irrelevant, what are you trying to achieve?

The transcript of the call has been released, the Pres of Ukraine has said there was no pressure, Volker has said there was no quid quo pro's but Schiff won't release the transcript, senior lawyers in the justice Dept have said no crime has been committed etc etc ......Get over it.

You don't even understand what's going on and how Schiff is manipulating the release of information and the whole charade.

You do realize that Schiff was the Democrat who claimed he had real evidence on Russian Collusion but it turned out he'd been pranked by two Russians.

 

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14 hours ago, Paul6754 said:

You're so funny and pathethetic D** S**t,  your cutting and pasting is irrelevant, what are you trying to achieve?

The transcript of the call has been released, the Pres of Ukraine has said there was no pressure, Volker has said there was no quid quo pro's but Schiff won't release the transcript, senior lawyers in the justice Dept have said no crime has been committed etc etc ......Get over it.

You don't even understand what's going on and how Schiff is manipulating the release of information and the whole charade.

You do realize that Schiff was the Democrat who claimed he had real evidence on Russian Collusion but it turned out he'd been pranked by two Russians.

 

What evidence would it take to convince you that trump was corrupt? What would it take?

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Latest attempt by the Dems to frame Trump.  Report from John Ratcliffe (A republican), one of the guy's asking the questions in the Intelligence committee room, that Bill Taylor did NOT provided testimony, any evidence or said anything that a quid pro quo occurred. 

These Impeachment hearings are an absolute farce on many counts, most of all because they're held behind closed doors and controlled by Schiff, Republicans have no power, the Dems won't release the transcripts and the Dems only release snippets of information to the left wing media which they believe adds to their case and they won''t let Republicans read the transcripts unless in the presence of a Democrat. 

If Trump was corrupt he would not be president by now. This video says it all, John Ratcliffe is part of the Intelligence Committee and is in the room where the hearing took place, not a left wing journalist at the WashPo, NYT or Boston Globe feeding off snippetts of information leaked by Schiff/Pelosi.

 

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1 hour ago, Paul6754 said:

Latest attempt by the Dems to frame Trump.  Report from John Ratcliffe (A republican), one of the guy's asking the questions in the Intelligence committee room, that Bill Taylor did NOT provided testimony, any evidence or said anything that a quid pro quo occurred. 

These Impeachment hearings are an absolute farce on many counts, most of all because they're held behind closed doors and controlled by Schiff, Republicans have no power, the Dems won't release the transcripts and the Dems only release snippets of information to the left wing media which they believe adds to their case and they won''t let Republicans read the transcripts unless in the presence of a Democrat. 

If Trump was corrupt he would not be president by now. This video says it all, John Ratcliffe is part of the Intelligence Committee and is in the room where the hearing took place, not a left wing journalist at the WashPo, NYT or Boston Globe feeding off snippetts of information leaked by Schiff/Pelosi.

 

You can literally read bill Taylor’s opening statement.

https://games-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/542ee36f-eafc-4f2b-a075-b3b492d981a5/note/5125c5bd-9723-4ea9-8180-7bb6fd714783.pdf

We know you have trouble with looking at evidence, and everything’s untrue until Fox News tells you what to believe, but it’s literally on the first page of his opening statement.

And what on earth do you mean, ‘if trump was corrupt he wouldn’t be president anymore’. Can you explain how you remove a president who is corrupt, because the usual way is impeachment, which is what’s happening now. A truly bonkers statement. 

I’ll ask again, what evidence would it take for you to change your mind that trump was corrupt? 

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And these hearings are being held under rules that apparently republicans made. Now they are trying to storm into them and had one stopped by bringing mobile phones into a classified area. More criminal obstruction in plain sight. Hypocrisy and desperation.  

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6 hours ago, Andyregs said:

You can literally read bill Taylor’s opening statement.

https://games-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/542ee36f-eafc-4f2b-a075-b3b492d981a5/note/5125c5bd-9723-4ea9-8180-7bb6fd714783.pdf

We know you have trouble with looking at evidence, and everything’s untrue until Fox News tells you what to believe, but it’s literally on the first page of his opening statement.

And what on earth do you mean, ‘if trump was corrupt he wouldn’t be president anymore’. Can you explain how you remove a president who is corrupt, because the usual way is impeachment, which is what’s happening now. A truly bonkers statement. 

I’ll ask again, what evidence would it take for you to change your mind that trump was corrupt? 

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Bill Taylor's opening statement is  irrelevant,  Bill Taylor and the other Ukrainian ambassador, Yovanovitch, are bitter  at Trump for adopting a different approach and hence rattling their cages, still neither came up with any substantial evidence supporting any wrong doing.

John Ratcliffe who was at the meeting said after questioning Bill Taylor,  "There is no one in the Ukraine who knows about any delay in any aid to the Ukraine, so legally without the quo there is no quid pro quo". The video shows information from someone at the meeting who asked the questions of Taylor not some Trump hating journalist from the WashPo getting selected information 2nd hand, how can you not understand the relevance/difference.

The whole transcript of the meeting has not been released, what has been released are snippets of information Schiff/Peolsi think adds to their narrative, released to left wing Newspapers like the WashPo who then add their spin.  Listen to the words from John Ratcliffe in the video. 

And I'll tell you again if Trump had committed a crime or was corrupt he would already have been impeached, the Dems have been trying to impeach him for 3 years and failed numerous times ,

You clearly don't understand what's going on and don't want to know. 

Again all you need to know, the American economy is strong and Trump is putting America and it's people first, I realize this is against your far left wing principles but just suck it up.

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