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8 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

You haven't answered my question.  What do you expect to happen?  Do you seriously expect the courts to overturn the result of the election? 

And what confidence can there be in a US election system in which one party considers voter suppression to be an acceptable tactic?

Your question has been answered, if you don't like the answer then tough.

Explain your statement, "One party considers voter suppression to be an acceptable tactic?" are you referring to in all states or just Georgia, give the facts which leads you to believe one party is engaging in voter suppression and against whom and which party is it.

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22 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

Seriously Paul, are you expecting the outcome of the election to be changed, Biden to be kicked out and Trump inaugurated?  If not, what exactly is the point?

What is the point? Exactly.

And what is the point of the anti Brexit brigade spending hours on another post telling us over and over again how stupid we were for voting for it?

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19 minutes ago, jimbo57 said:

What is the point? Exactly.

And what is the point of the anti Brexit brigade spending hours on another post telling us over and over again how stupid we were for voting for it?

And that is relevant to this thread how exactly????

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1 hour ago, Paul6754 said:

Your question has been answered, if you don't like the answer then tough.

Explain your statement, "One party considers voter suppression to be an acceptable tactic?" are you referring to in all states or just Georgia, give the facts which leads you to believe one party is engaging in voter suppression and against whom and which party is it.

https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/09/29/stacking-the-deck-how-the-gop-works-to-suppress-minority-voting/

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/republican-voter-suppression/

https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-voter-suppression-mania-threatens-us-democracy-democrats-must-fight-back-2021-3?r=US&IR=T

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/02/republicans-are-taking-their-voter-suppression-efforts-to-new-extremes/

There are the facts.  If you don't like them then tough.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-audio-trump-adviser-republicans-rely-voter-suppression-justin-clark-2019-12?r=US&IR=T

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republican-party-voting-reform-coronavirus

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Paul_Weyrich#Quotes

“I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country, and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_New_Hampshire_Senate_election_phone_jamming_scandal

John pappageorge (R) "If we do not suppress the Detroit vote, we're going to have a tough time in this election."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_of_the_2006_United_States_Senate_election_in_Virginia

“The FBI launched an investigation into alleged attempts to intimidate potential Democratic voters in eight counties before the poll, by use of telephone calls to suggest that persons with outstanding warrants would be arrested as they voted, a classic example of voter suppression.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20140111092927/http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-schurick-robocalls-verdict-20111206,0,6200720,full.story
In the Maryland gubernatorial election in 2010, the campaign of Republican candidate Bob Ehrlich hired a consultant who advised that "the first and most desired outcome is voter suppression", in the form of having "African-American voters stay home."[95] To that end, the Republicans placed thousands of Election Day robocalls to Democratic voters, telling them that the Democratic candidate, Martin O'Malley, had won, although in fact the polls were still open for some two more hours.[96] The Republicans' call, worded to seem as if it came from Democrats, told the voters, "Relax. Everything's fine. The only thing left is to watch it on TV tonight."[95] The calls reached 112,000 voters in majority-African American areas.[96] In 2011, Ehrlich's campaign manager, Paul Schurick, was convicted of fraud and other charges because of the calls.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/appeals-court-strikes-down-north-carolinas-voter-id-law/2016/07/29/810b5844-4f72-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/the-gops-attack-on-voting-rights-was-the-most-under-covered-story-of-2016/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indiana-election/federal-judge-blocks-indiana-from-enforcing-voter-purge-law-idUSKCN1J5024

https://eu.hattiesburgamerican.com/story/news/local/2020/06/30/mississippi-election-commissioner-accused-making-racist-comments/3280055001/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-polling-sites-closures-voting?fbclid=IwAR0U_LPUDby8m5BPRct50duxmI2x3nSSGwvhQZ0eysfClZMUprKoWnA0VeU

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2020/10/10/at-risk-of-losing-texas-republicans-scheme-to-limit-democratic-votes

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/08/12/conspiracy-steal-election-folks-alarms-sound-after-postal-worker-reports-removal?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3-nmkxmO6oaIIkQ9gpakXzupcwEnROpxHDe7XtfJHV4J3-gqPBAIBmnd0

 

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12 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

Ah, I see that is a very succinct response to the debate about Mr Trump and voter suppression by the Republican Party.  Thanks for clearing that up.

Oh dear, it looks like I'll have to spell it out for you.

You asked 'are you expecting the outcome of the election to be changed? If not what is the point?' Referring to the USA.

However, your anti Brexit posts appear on a regular basis.

So are you expecting the outcome of the election to be changed? If not what is the point?

Is that clear now? Pot, kettle, black!

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19 minutes ago, jimbo57 said:

Oh dear, it looks like I'll have to spell it out for you.

You asked 'are you expecting the outcome of the election to be changed? If not what is the point?' Referring to the USA.

However, your anti Brexit posts appear on a regular basis.

So are you expecting the outcome of the election to be changed? If not what is the point?

Is that clear now? Pot, kettle, black!

Wel, one is making arguments made up of lies about election fraud, the other is arguing what a terrible decision it’s been back up with evidence. If he was arguing that it was a bad decision to elect Biden, then that would be more of a comparison.

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1 hour ago, jimbo57 said:

Oh dear, it looks like I'll have to spell it out for you.

You asked 'are you expecting the outcome of the election to be changed? If not what is the point?' Referring to the USA.

However, your anti Brexit posts appear on a regular basis.

So are you expecting the outcome of the election to be changed? If not what is the point?

Is that clear now? Pot, kettle, black!

I knew what you were on about but I just thought it was rubbish. At no point have I claimed the referendum vote was bent by dodgy voting machines, dead people voting or the votes being fraudulent. I have never demanded umpteen recounts of the vote. I have never demanded as a result that the referendum vote be changed as you suggest. I disagreed with the outcome but never made up ridiculous stories like Trump and his cohorts. So in essence, your post was rubbish. 

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On 07/04/2021 at 12:55, Jacko51 said:

I knew what you were on about but I just thought it was rubbish. At no point have I claimed the referendum vote was bent by dodgy voting machines, dead people voting or the votes being fraudulent. I have never demanded umpteen recounts of the vote. I have never demanded as a result that the referendum vote be changed as you suggest. I disagreed with the outcome but never made up ridiculous stories like Trump and his cohorts. So in essence, your post was rubbish. 

You're contradicting yourself yet again.

You continually post anti Trump even though the election is over. You ask what is the point in  questioning  the result.

You also post anti Brexit even though the election is over.

So as I asked previously, what is the point of continuing your anti Brexit posts? The vote will not be rerun, neither will the USA election.

So in essence, you are doing exactly the same as you are asking of others. You question others of posting when there is no point in doing so, but happily do so yourself when it suits your agenda.

What is the point were your words, not mine.

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1 hour ago, jimbo57 said:

You're contradicting yourself yet again.

You continually post anti Trump even though the election is over. You ask what is the point in  questioning  the result.

You also post anti Brexit even though the election is over.

So as I asked previously, what is the point of continuing your anti Brexit posts? The vote will not be rerun, neither will the USA election.

So in essence, you are doing exactly the same as you are asking of others. You question others of posting when there is no point in doing so, but happily do so yourself when it suits your agenda.

What is the point were your words, not mine.

What was the point of that post?  I’m done with this. 

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On 06/04/2021 at 15:44, Jacko51 said:

Voter suppression is a myth propagated by democrats/left. The change in the voter laws in Georgia claimed by Stacey Abrams and Joe Biden are out and out lies and bear no resemblance to the truth, they are yet again a flagrant attempt to introduce racism into the voting process in the USA.

Even the BBC counters their claims of voter suppression in Georgia by pointing out that voting hours will not be restricted, there will still be drop boxes, voters will be able to vote on a Sunday and election officials can still give water to voters standing in line.

The issue about voter id is preposterous. Are these democrats/lefties saying minorities can't get or don't have government issued id or some form of a utility bill etc proving/giving their name/address. If so what a bigoted, condescending stance to take. The facts show that requiring official id to vote does not reduce voter turnout amongst minorities. 

Again, what you've posted are not facts but the American left wing media manipulating the truth and perpetrating lies. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56650565

https://www.wsj.com/articles/data-disprove-the-voter-suppression-myth-11557268819

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgipa2cdbVk

 

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25 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:

Voter suppression is a myth propagated by democrats/left. The change in the voter laws in Georgia claimed by Stacey Abrams and Joe Biden are out and out lies and bear no resemblance to the truth, they are yet again a flagrant attempt to introduce racism into the voting process in the USA.

Even the BBC counters their claims of voter suppression in Georgia by pointing out that voting hours will not be restricted, there will still be drop boxes, voters will be able to vote on a Sunday and election officials can still give water to voters standing in line.

The issue about voter id is preposterous. Are these democrats/lefties saying minorities can't get or don't have government issued id or some form of a utility bill etc proving/giving their name/address. If so what a bigoted, condescending stance to take. The facts show that requiring official id to vote does not reduce voter turnout amongst minorities. 

Again, what you've posted are not facts but the American left wing media manipulating the truth and perpetrating lies. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56650565

https://www.wsj.com/articles/data-disprove-the-voter-suppression-myth-11557268819

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgipa2cdbVk

 

As opposed to the American right wing media perpetrating lies about a stolen election. 

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https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2018/06/01/616216560/episode-845-redmap?t=1617999911480

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering
 

Excellent podcast from planet money on how the Republican party has been using Gerrymandering to reduce the influence of Black votes in swing states and ensure that they get results contrary to the popular vote. They called it project RedMap. 

Wiki overview for those that don’t want to listen to the pod.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/REDMAP

Vote influence suppression.

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