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40 minutes ago, geosname said:

Perhaps I was using the wrong word for your generation..... would worrying be better.?

You find it ‘scary’...’worrying’...you ‘have no interest in it’...you ‘don’t know if it’s true’...all in the last hour...all so pointless....though it only seems that your worry subsides and you have no interest when you are asked to clarify your waffle. 

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I love this report from a journalist covering their first Trump press conference. The last paragraph is the killer... The press conference I tuned into by chance from my New York hotel room was h

It is though isn’t it.  No one else cries about being misinterpreted and then waxes lyrical about the accountability of words and people misinterpreting who they may or may not be defending.

That’s nothing. The American president prefers putin to his own intelligence service. 

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5 hours ago, Andyregs said:

The only way to unseat the president would be the 25th amendment which has to have the support of the Vice President and is entirely constitutional, unlike trumps disregard for any kind of oversight (or impeachment which need two thirds of the republican senate to turn on their cult leader). 

If a democrat had done one of the many things trump has done the republicans would have lost their minds. Don’t forget they lost their minds because Obama wore a tan suit. They raged because he wore a bicycle helmet and ate Dijon mustard. But ignoring a serious whistle blower complaint is ‘partisan, though is don’t know who it is’. 

At some point, whether next year or in a decades time, you and others will either deny ever supporting him, or claim that you could never have known the depths of the corruption despite the evidence being in front of your faces rift now. 

You clearly have no idea what's going on.

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1 hour ago, Andyregs said:

You find it ‘scary’...’worrying’...you ‘have no interest in it’...you ‘don’t know if it’s true’...all in the last hour...all so pointless....though it only seems that your worry subsides and you have no interest when you are asked to clarify your waffle. 

Clarify what exactly?

The fact I find it scary democracy could be subverted by the people designated to protect it..... don't you find that prospect scary?

Or is it just your galeophobia that gets you concerned.

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33 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:

You clearly have no idea what's going on.

I have. But feel free to educate me using Sean hannity clips if you like. There’s a hell of a lot of corruption and attacks on America’s democracy that you choose to ignore. It must take some fantastic mental gymnastics because if Obama had done just one of them you’d be raging. And to talk about the swamp when all he’s done is fill it. And as the election looms it’s just going to get worse as it could be his presidency that is the only thing keeping him out of prison. 

16 minutes ago, geosname said:

Clarify what exactly?

The fact I find it scary democracy could be subverted by the people designated to protect it..... don't you find that prospect scary?

Or is it just your galeophobia that gets you concerned.

Yet you ignore the constant attacks on democracy, despite not being on either side, and instead talk about something you don’t care about or know if it’s true. 

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23 minutes ago, Andyregs said:

I have. But feel free to educate me using Sean hannity clips if you like. There’s a hell of a lot of corruption and attacks on America’s democracy that you choose to ignore. It must take some fantastic mental gymnastics because if Obama had done just one of them you’d be raging. And to talk about the swamp when all he’s done is fill it. And as the election looms it’s just going to get worse as it could be his presidency that is the only thing keeping him out of prison. 

Yet you ignore the constant attacks on democracy, despite not being on either side, and instead talk about something you don’t care about or know if it’s true. 

I'm not sure what I have ignored.... but frontal attacks on democracy can be defended if the democracy is robust... as seen by recent events in the UK.... It's the clandestine squirming in the shadows that's dangerous and scary.

True or not is a scary prospect.... I don't care about US  politics, why should I, unless it affects me directly, which only usually happens with the movement of the $..... so my interest is confined and limited.

As for the rest...... it's called an opinion..... forums are full of them.... even you have one... along with a fear of plastic sharks.

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12 minutes ago, geosname said:

I'm not sure what I have ignored.... but frontal attacks on democracy can be defended if the democracy is robust... as seen by recent events in the UK.... It's the clandestine squirming in the shadows that's dangerous and scary.

True or not is a scary prospect.... I don't care about US  politics, why should I, unless it affects me directly, which only usually happens with the movement of the $..... so my interest is confined and limited.

As for the rest...... it's called an opinion..... forums are full of them.... even you have one... along with a fear of plastic sharks.

Then explain the scary ‘squirming in the shadows’ that you’re talking about and we can discuss it. And I’ll offer some back. We’ll probably get another page full of nothing though. 

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45 minutes ago, Andyregs said:

I have. But feel free to educate me using Sean hannity clips if you like. There’s a hell of a lot of corruption and attacks on America’s democracy that you choose to ignore. It must take some fantastic mental gymnastics because if Obama had done just one of them you’d be raging. And to talk about the swamp when all he’s done is fill it. And as the election looms it’s just going to get worse as it could be his presidency that is the only thing keeping him out of prison. 

Yet you ignore the constant attacks on democracy, despite not being on either side, and instead talk about something you don’t care about or know if it’s true. 

Try educating yourself especially before you make an inane reply to a post. This could well turn out to be the largest attack on American democracy, all the information is not in the public domain yet.

So why is "Trump's presidency  the only thing keeping him out of prison", not supporting Trump just trying to understand where you're coming from.

Why mention Obama

Plz inform me of the "constant attacks on democracy" that I've ignored..

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15 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:

Try educating yourself especially before you make an inane reply to a post. This could well turn out to be the largest attack on American democracy, all the information is not in the public domain yet.

So why is "Trump's presidency  the only thing keeping him out of prison", not supporting Trump just trying to understand where you're coming from.

Why mention Obama

Plz inform me of the "constant attacks on democracy" that I've ignored..

It’s not in the public domain but you know about it? And we know for a fact the Russians have already attacked American democracy. Republicans response is to drop the sanctions, accept their money and argue that they should be allowed back in the G8. 

Bill barr got the job in the DoJ by writing a paper in how the president couldn’t be prosecuted. It’s why kavanaugh was chosen for the Supreme Court. Trump is literally arguing right now in court (well his lawyers for him) that he is immune from prosecution as he’s the president. It’s why he hasn’t been charged with obstruction. 

I mention Obama because of the absolute hypocrisy of republicans. 

The constant attack’s are the asking for help from foreign nations, the refusal to testify despite subpoenas by many republicans, the refusal to follow procedure with the whistleblower, the refusal to make elections safe from foreign attacks, the obstruction, and on and on and on. 

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2 hours ago, Andyregs said:

It’s not in the public domain but you know about it?

I said not ALL the information is in the public domain, some is, some isn't and there are many moving parts involved.

2 hours ago, Andyregs said:

And we know for a fact the Russians have already attacked American democracy. Republicans response is to drop the sanctions, accept their money and argue that they should be allowed back in the G8.

It is not about Russia attacking American Democracy per se but about accusations of Trump colluding with Russia to influence an American election etc all of which after years of investigation, countless inquiries and $30m spent has been shown to be untrue, there was no collusion. The questions now to be answered are who was behind the accusations, what evidence was there to make the accusations, what was the role of the FBI and other government agencies, who leaked what and who lied to whom under oath.  Comey who was the head of the FBI, his deputy, Andrew McCabe .and others are implicated and also in trying to influence the election in favor of Clinton.

2 hours ago, Andyregs said:

Bill barr got the job in the DoJ by writing a paper in how the president couldn’t be prosecuted. It’s why kavanaugh was chosen for the Supreme Court. Trump is literally arguing right now in court (well his lawyers for him) that he is immune from prosecution as he’s the president. It’s why he hasn’t been charged with obstruction. 

It doesn't matter how Barr became AG. Trump hasn't been charged with obstruction of justice 'cause no crime has been committed, there was no collusion. 

2 hours ago, Andyregs said:

The constant attack’s are the asking for help from foreign nations, the refusal to testify despite subpoenas by many republicans, the refusal to follow procedure with the whistleblower, the refusal to make elections safe from foreign attacks, the obstruction, and on and on and on. 

I haven't a clue what this paragraph is about. 

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4 hours ago, geosname said:

I'm not sure what I have ignored.... but frontal attacks on democracy can be defended if the democracy is robust... as seen by recent events in the UK.... It's the clandestine squirming in the shadows that's dangerous and scary.

True or not is a scary prospect.... I don't care about US  politics, why should I, unless it affects me directly, which only usually happens with the movement of the $..... so my interest is confined and limited.

As for the rest...... it's called an opinion..... forums are full of them.... even you have one... along with a fear of plastic sharks.

I read a good quote the other day.  "You are not entitled to an opinion.  You are entitled to an informed opinion.  No one is entitled to ignorance."

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2 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

I read a good quote the other day.  "You are not entitled to an opinion.  You are entitled to an informed opinion.  No one is entitled to ignorance."

That's almost as bad as saying..... if I want your opinion I'll give it to you.

We are all born ignorant Jean... and in some aspects we remain ignorant until we die.

I haven't posted regarding the validity of the claims or the people involved, I've stated I don't know and I'm not interested enough to find out, even if it were possible to find out.

I find the mere suggestion, in this context, that the FIB / CIA / DOJ or whoever has bent the law to conduct covert operations against it's own government to be scary..... perhaps a better word would be alarming, although it does initiate a little fear.

If it's true it's scary.... if it's not true it's scary that the suggestion would be used as a political tool because it shakes the belief of the people in the system.

That's my opinion and given your quote I'm the only person qualified to state that opinion because I'm the one it scares/alarms/concerns.

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4 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

I read a good quote the other day.  "You are not entitled to an opinion.  You are entitled to an informed opinion.  No one is entitled to ignorance."

That raises interesting questions Jean...... what is an informed opinion?

Is an informed opinion based on the information you have?.... information you believe?...... information available (which you may not have)?...... or factual information?

Given no one knows everything, everything isn't know and what is known is liable to change isn't ignorance a constant?

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I agree with Jean when she says the cupboard is bare when it comes to saying anything nice about Donald Trump.

Our PM is in the USA enjoying Mr T's hospitality, but for me it's all a con to drag Australia into his trade war with China - on the one hand, and to assist him with his support for the Saudis v Iran - on the other.

Hopefully our PM is on his game during this visit (e.g. listening to Trump yesterday he stumbled to remember our PM's name.)

Trump rabbits on about 'the special relationship' between our two nations, but I'm not so sure his sentiment would convert to 'a military relationship' should we be threatened by any of our regional neighbours.  

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15 minutes ago, Aussie Rules said:

I agree with Jean when she says the cupboard is bare when it comes to saying anything nice about Donald Trump.

Our PM is in the USA enjoying Mr T's hospitality, but for me it's all a con to drag Australia into his trade war with China - on the one hand, and to assist him with his support for the Saudis v Iran - on the other.

Hopefully our PM is on his game during this visit (e.g. listening to Trump yesterday he stumbled to remember our PM's name.)

Trump rabbits on about 'the special relationship' between our two nations, but I'm not so sure his sentiment would convert to 'a military relationship' should we be threatened by any of our regional neighbours.  

The only thing good to say about trumps presidency is that it's a limited edition.

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Funny how all the Brits pretend to know all about America, and it’s politics. The Irish are the same . They tell me exactly   what’s wrong with President Trump, and how the country should be run ie a socialist government, etc etc. 

Yet many of them have hardly stepped foot outside, Tipperary , Limerick, Burslem, Stoke. They know everything about  politics in Tulsa, Oklahoma City , Dallas , and , erm, DC. All this despite the fact that I’ve lived in America for 34 years now , and in that time I’ve never seen it as prosperous as it is today , thanks to President Trump. But what do I know? Meanwhile, there’s that big ***** called Brexit . Sort that one out first before you all start  on America. We’re doing fine over here. 🇺🇸

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Paul6754 said:

I said not ALL the information is in the public domain, some is, some isn't and there are many moving parts involved.

It is not about Russia attacking American Democracy per se but about accusations of Trump colluding with Russia to influence an American election etc all of which after years of investigation, countless inquiries and $30m spent has been shown to be untrue, there was no collusion. The questions now to be answered are who was behind the accusations, what evidence was there to make the accusations, what was the role of the FBI and other government agencies, who leaked what and who lied to whom under oath.  Comey who was the head of the FBI, his deputy, Andrew McCabe .and others are implicated and also in trying to influence the election in favor of Clinton.

It doesn't matter how Barr became AG. Trump hasn't been charged with obstruction of justice 'cause no crime has been committed, there was no collusion. 

I haven't a clue what this paragraph is about. 

Well, show us what is in the public domain. 

The mueller report didn’t exonerate trump. That’s been explicitly said. The reason he wasn’t charged was because it was never an option to charge a sitting president. The mueller report literally reads as a blue print for impeachment. There is reams of evidence of trump obstruction. Remember what Clinton got impeached for. The words of Lindsey graham? You’re literally just parroting the ‘summary’ of bill Barr. That’s bill Barr who is the person republicans go to for a cover up, like he did with the Iran contra affair. 

The report didn’t find conspiracy, and had a very narrow remit, looking for direct conspiracy between trump and putin. This couldn’t be proven, as Russia is run by oligarchs. Who funnily enough have had their sanctions dropped. There isn’t a charge of collusion available or being compromised. But if you’re happy with what was done with Russia, I don’t know what to say. It would have brought down another president. 

The last paragraph was a direct response to your question about trumps attacks on American democracy. I’ll add emolument violations to that list as well. But apparently it’s me who doesn’t know what I’m talking about. 

2 hours ago, Houston Valiant said:

Funny how all the Brits pretend to know all about America, and it’s politics. The Irish are the same . They tell me exactly   what’s wrong with President Trump, and how the country should be run ie a socialist government, etc etc. 

Yet many of them have hardly stepped foot outside, Tipperary , Limerick, Burslem, Stoke. They know everything about  politics in Tulsa, Oklahoma City , Dallas , and , erm, DC. All this despite the fact that I’ve lived in America for 34 years now , and in that time I’ve never seen it as prosperous as it is today , thanks to President Trump. But what do I know? Meanwhile, there’s that big ***** called Brexit . Sort that one out first before you all start  on America. We’re doing fine over here. 🇺🇸

 

 

 

Didn’t you say that Obama was terrible because he was divisive? Not an issue for trump though eh? We all know what many republicans issue with Obama was. He was a Kenyan apparently. 

‘That fact you think that the alternative to trump in America is socialism speaks volumes. 

And the economic improvement show a trend going up from Obama’s presidency. A common trend with ‘financially responsible republicans who overspend and let democrats fix it, Blame them and start the process again. However how’s the borrowing going. How’s trumps promise to cut that back going? Highest since the last recession despite a good economy? Probably just in time to let another Democrat have to fix it while you blame them. Worries of a recession because it’s so high? The party of financial responsibility? The party of family values? The party of law and order? Can’t claim any of those any more. Peel that back and what’s left? 

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