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Only got back from four months in NZ with family on Thursday so was absolutely knackered, but so looked forward to this especially as I hadn't seen a ball kicked since last season, and like many was quite pleased with what I saw. There was at least a plan, a clear intention of the way we are going to be playing this season. A lot of effort, aggression and closing down, and in this league that alone will win us points, and the first plus, especially with a new more organised manager at the helm, is that surely there will be no fears about having to endure a relegation battle this season.

The only real concerns, Amoo apart who I thought looked excellent, was there was a fair bit of dejavu about the game, with both team selection, mobility up front, Manny going off injured (and yes IMO he definitely looks a bit too chunky) and annoyingly the goal we shipped - when will we ever learn to pick up players from set pieces?

But great to be back, and great to see a really decent crowd, though I actually thought there were a good few more than the official figure.

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What I was trying to post was....

Game of two halves with the first half being very similar to an Aspin performance. Second half very different. Great energy.

Conlon frustrated me. He needs to only use his right foot in training and he definitely needs to work on his speed of decision making. Too many times he took too many touches when a simple quick pass was available.

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People keep moaning about only having one up front but when you don't have the best midfield around you can't play a basic 4-4-2 against decent opposition that on paper has a good midfield at this level, otherwise you'll just get over-run and ultimately bent over. We could and should have won the game playing exactly the way we were set out to by Askey.

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What I was trying to post was....

Game of two halves with the first half being very similar to an Aspin performance. Second half very different. Great energy.

Conlon frustrated me. He needs to only use his right foot in training and he definitely needs to work on his speed of decision making. Too many times he took too many touches when a simple quick pass was available.
He is also very weak on the ball.
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People keep moaning about only having one up front but when you don't have the best midfield around you can't play a basic 4-4-2 against decent opposition that on paper has a good midfield at this level, otherwise you'll just get over-run and ultimately bent over. We could and should have won the game playing exactly the way we were set out to by Askey.
I agree, 2 up top doesnt give a guarantee anyway it should be about movement creating space when we have the ball denying it when we dont ,, we were the better side the reason we didnt win it (other than the ref) was the final ball or players decision making(twice we had opportunity for one v one on breakaways)..
The player s gave everything was hard to pick motm mine wss legge, the guy in front said worrall -how pleasing to have more than just scott Brown n pope,,
First half we looked reserved almost (poss as seemingly v Colchester we were at our best for first 20mins) so poss players were told to wait later in game before unleashing ,either way we more than matched em and something to build on provided we can keep our first 13 fit

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I thought both sides improved as the game went on and it was an entertaining encounter. Both created a lot of chances, but in our case we were guilty of not shooting and taking an extra touch or any extra pass in the box. Their goal seemed to come from a corner kick that shouldn't have been awarded?

In midfield we started on skying the ball. Then we were guilty of too many touches. Then we were guilty of pump it forward instead of bringing it under control and passing. Seemed to make a lot of wrong decisions, but in the second half that too improved. 

Overall I thought there was a lot of promise on show, we have a decent team, but we need to go and win a game. Crewe lost at home last week, but because they won away this week they are above us in the league. Winning games makes a big difference to the points tally.

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9 hours ago, Heatwave said:

And while they're at it find a way to stop us reading his drivel when it's being quoted in another post - after you've gone to the trouble of blocking him.

Sorry to upset the snowflakes on here who are happy with 2 points out of a possible 6.

No change from last season with 10 out of 11 of the team same as last season.

No players on the bench to improve the team.

Same hoofball to Pope up front on his own.

Northampton could possibly be last years Notts County.

Askeys percentage is still close to the 23% of last season.

Even Aspin had 31%..

Glad you are happy with the results so far.

We haven’t lost but haven’t won either.

 

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It doesn’t really matter how well we played or didn’t play, when the man in charge continually gives wrong decisions against us and sees things that hav’nt happened, we’re up against it from the off.

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11 hours ago, PV1973 said:

Keith Curles comment on their goal:

 

"For our goal, we identified the player marking Ryan Watson and we thought that would give us an opportunity and so it proved. Ryan showed a great understanding of where he needed to be and he finished it well.”

 

Who was marking Watson?

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24 minutes ago, Erniemossrules said:

Sorry to upset the snowflakes on here who are happy with 2 points out of a possible 6.

No change from last season with 10 out of 11 of the team same as last season.

No players on the bench to improve the team.

Same hoofball to Pope up front on his own.

Northampton could possibly be last years Notts County.

Askeys percentage is still close to the 23% of last season.

Even Aspin had 31%..

Glad you are happy with the results so far.

We haven’t lost but haven’t won either.

 

I get the feeling you would genuinely be upset and bothered should Vale win. Either you're a Stoke fan on a bit of a wind up or someone that just hasn't been taking his meds lately. 

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39 minutes ago, Valiant62 said:

Who was marking Watson?

Been watching back through the full game on ifollow this morning, just flicking through the main points of the game. It was Amoo marking him. Coincidentally i though it was Amoo last week who played a part in Colchester's goal with the guy who eventually crossed it coming off his shoulder and Amoo not doing enough to track him back as well.

Honestly having been through that game again this morning, especially the second half I can’t see how anyone can say it’s the same as last season. We created some really good opportunities, especially down the right and left wings with some really good play that got us in to the box. Not only that but Legge and Pope had headers that they really should have done better with. I stand by what I said yesterday in that Worrall, Gibbons, Legge, Joyce, Smith, Conlon, maybe even Crookes and Amoo as well were all contenders for man of the match for me. 

Whenever I watch us I compare what they’ve got to us, that lump up front looked a handful for them but he offered nothing. Compare him to what Pope offers when he gets the ball. Their right back seemed to go backwards every time he got the ball, whereas ours always looks to be positive when he can. Compare Worrall to and Amoo to their 2 wingers in Hoskins and Adams, ours were much more direct, were productive and got behind them many more times than they did, plus we had our full backs and wingers linking with an extra midfielder, they did none of that and posed little threat down the flanks. Also interesting to see how many times they changed their formation up front to try and stop our full backs going forward, it didn’t work for them.  Overall I’d say considering they’re supposed to highly fancied I think we’ve got players I’d much prefer in our side. 

Oh and can I ask a favour, please don’t quote Ernie as that means I then see his blocked posts. Thanks.

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28 minutes ago, TylerB said:

I get the feeling you would genuinely be upset and bothered should Vale win. Either you're a Stoke fan on a bit of a wind up or someone that just hasn't been taking his meds lately. 

Just block him like many have already done, then you won't have to read his pathetic whining.

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Thought overall we could have nicked all three points there. Maybe not a coincidence that they identified Amoo from defensive set pieces if that happened at Colchester and yesterday... something for him to work on as ultimately it undid all his good work and his goal. We can’t improve refereeing decisions but can work on things like that.

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3 minutes ago, PV1973 said:

Been watching back through the full game on ifollow this morning, just flicking through the main points of the game. It was Amoo marking him. Coincidentally i though it was Amoo last week who played a part in Colchester's goal with the guy who eventually crossed it coming off his shoulder and Amoo not doing enough to track him back as well.

Honestly having been through that game again this morning, especially the second half I can’t see how anyone can say it’s the same as last season. We created some really good opportunities, especially down the right and left wings with some really good play that got us in to the box. Not only that but Legge and Pope had headers that they really should have done better with. I stand by what I said yesterday in that Worrall, Gibbons, Legge, Joyce, Smith, Conlon, maybe even Crookes and Amoo as well were all contenders for man of the match for me. 

Whenever I watch us I compare what they’ve got to us, that lump up front looked a handful for them but he offered nothing. Compare him to what Pope offers when he gets the ball. Their right back seemed to go backwards every time he got the ball, whereas ours always looks to be positive when he can. Compare Worrall to and Amoo to their 2 wingers in Hoskins and Adams, ours were much more direct, were productive and got behind them many more times than they did, plus we had our full backs and wingers linking with an extra midfielder, they did none of that and posed little threat down the flanks. Also interesting to see how many times they changed their formation up front to try and stop our full backs going forward, it didn’t work for them.  Overall I’d say considering they’re supposed to highly fancied I think we’ve got players I’d much prefer in our side. 

Oh and can I ask a favour, please don’t quote Ernie as that means I then see his blocked posts. Thanks.

Pretty much sums up what i thoughtregarding our players. When i saw the size of Smith, i thought he would cause us all kinds of problems but we coped with him really well.

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1 hour ago, Erniemossrules said:

Sorry to upset the snowflakes on here who are happy with 2 points out of a possible 6.

Remind me how many draws Micky Adams had after his first two matches. Or even after his first ten or so.

(Sorry for quoting)

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John Askey is spot-on when he says we must push-on having taken the lead.  For far too long now, the players have been happy to ease-up as soon as they go a goal ahead.  We need more of the 'killer mentality' that sets the good teams apart--look at Man City's performance yesterday--clinical and dominating.  Wish we could see a bit more of that from our lads!

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17 minutes ago, Bycarsbill said:

John Askey is spot-on when he says we must push-on having taken the lead.  For far too long now, the players have been happy to ease-up as soon as they go a goal ahead.  We need more of the 'killer mentality' that sets the good teams apart--look at Man City's performance yesterday--clinical and dominating.  Wish we could see a bit more of that from our lads!

Lack of confidence, if only expecting a point and grabbing a lead there is a tendency to not risk anything. Whereas in this league of giants and set-pieces deflections are a big risk. With our height, attack is the way, a pressing game, and higher scoring rate of the increased opportunities  our best option. Can the current players rise to the challenge? By the end of Sept we will know, early days.

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