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3 hours ago, rsb said:

how are the fringe players getting match fit ( I don't mean training fit ) the first team have played six games the rest one game against wolves bringing in two more player will mean two players joining the rest with no games to play. other than now and again friendly's 

The Central Leagues are now down to 12 teams so only 22 games. I think Askey's point that a trip to Scunthorpe only to find they were putting out a youth team was a waste of time and effort. Probably more to be gained from playing a mixture of local U23 sides and clubs within 60 miles who bring a proper reserve team. If we could have got into Central League North West the travel times would have been much less.

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4 hours ago, rsb said:

how are the fringe players getting match fit ( I don't mean training fit ) the first team have played six games the rest one game against wolves bringing in two more player will mean two players joining the rest with no games to play. other than now and again friendly's 

According to Arthur in today’s Sentinel we played Wolves yesterday.

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3 hours ago, valiant_593 said:

Don’t think we need a forward personally. We play with one up top as well, Browne can play there if need be. 

We look very weak on the middle. I think we needed a cm even before manny was injured. Need a cb due to allowing rawlinson to leave so need some cover there, but a cm who is good enough to start is vital. 

We didn’t score enough goals last season, and I don’t see us being that much more prolific this, so I think a forward plus replacement for Rawlinson along with a strong central midfielder must be added before the deadline.

We've hamstrung ourselves a bit by signing an injured player in Browne, who’d have probably played in place of Montano on Saturday.

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44 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

We didn’t score enough goals last season, and I don’t see us being that much more prolific this, so I think a forward plus replacement for Rawlinson along with a strong central midfielder must be added before the deadline.

We've hamstrung ourselves a bit by signing an injured player in Browne, who’d have probably played in place of Montano on Saturday.

Think we have enough goals up top this time personally. Pope should get 10-15. Bennett has already got 2 and Cullen scored a fair few last time he was at this level, I’d hope the likes of Worrall can contribute more in terms of goals and we have amoo whonhas two as well. For me we’re so much weaker in the middle than up top. Especially with manny out. 

At the moment we have 3 out and out strikers fit who are all decent and have played at this level. In terms of centre mids we have Joyce and Conlon who are out and out centre mids fit. For me we’re desperate for someone there. 

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I'd love to know why Askey thinks that his midfield is sufficient.

As I see it, we have a first choice of Joyce, Conlon and Manny.

First replacement is Worrall, which weakens the frame of the team, as he is lost to the right wing.

After that, it's Lloyd and Burgess.

Seems really lacking to me, which is why I'd love to know why the management seem content.

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8 minutes ago, SFBT said:

As I see it, we have a first choice of Joyce, Conlon and Manny.

First replacement is Worrall, which weakens the frame of the team, as he is lost to the right wing.

After that, it's Lloyd and Burgess.

Seems really lacking to me, which is why I'd love to know why the management seem content.

Manny is the only player in the midfield with the power to carry that ball up the pitch. Joyce and Conlon compliment him nicely, but they are similar players who can get the ball and just pass it on and keep things ticking over. If they are given the time to do that. Their pass completion ratio must be through the roof as they keep it simple. That’s no disrespect to them because they are what they are. But we need something other than that. They aren’t players to take the ball up the pitch 30 yards, they aren’t going to be out muscling the opposition, they aren’t going to battling and winning important headers all over the place. That’s why for me someone to compete with manny is a must. A strong midfielder. It’s all well and good having players like amoo, Gibbons, Worrall or Monty who can take the ball up the wing and get us into the opposition half, but we need that in the middle of the pitch too IMO. 

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1 hour ago, PV1973 said:

Manny is the only player in the midfield with the power to carry that ball up the pitch. Joyce and Conlon compliment him nicely, but they are similar players who can get the ball and just pass it on and keep things ticking over. If they are given the time to do that. Their pass completion ratio must be through the roof as they keep it simple. That’s no disrespect to them because they are what they are. But we need something other than that. They aren’t players to take the ball up the pitch 30 yards, they aren’t going to be out muscling the opposition, they aren’t going to battling and winning important headers all over the place. That’s why for me someone to compete with manny is a must. A strong midfielder. It’s all well and good having players like amoo, Gibbons, Worrall or Monty who can take the ball up the wing and get us into the opposition half, but we need that in the middle of the pitch too IMO. 

I agree.

Now that would be a formidable set up.

And how good for the strikers and central defenders to have such mobility.

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2 hours ago, PV1973 said:

Manny is the only player in the midfield with the power to carry that ball up the pitch. Joyce and Conlon compliment him nicely, but they are similar players who can get the ball and just pass it on and keep things ticking over. If they are given the time to do that. Their pass completion ratio must be through the roof as they keep it simple. That’s no disrespect to them because they are what they are. But we need something other than that. They aren’t players to take the ball up the pitch 30 yards, they aren’t going to be out muscling the opposition, they aren’t going to battling and winning important headers all over the place. That’s why for me someone to compete with manny is a must. A strong midfielder. It’s all well and good having players like amoo, Gibbons, Worrall or Monty who can take the ball up the wing and get us into the opposition half, but we need that in the middle of the pitch too IMO. 

Nail on the head mate. Plus a LB and a CB. Unless Kennedy and Evans can step in. Evans is a RB right? Crookes can't play CB, he's too small. He can play left of a back three, but that is a somewhat specialist position. Arthur seems to think our cover at LB is Monty (who was awful there last season and is often crocked) or Lloyd. Hmm. We are weak there. Very weak.

Our first 11 on their game could give anyone a game for me. As they have shown.  But scratch the surface and a few sub-par performances and we could be struggling. As Sat showed.

 

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1 hour ago, toyahw said:

Nail on the head mate. Plus a LB and a CB. Unless Kennedy and Evans can step in. Evans is a RB right? Crookes can't play CB, he's too small. He can play left of a back three, but that is a somewhat specialist position. Arthur seems to think our cover at LB is Monty (who was awful there last season and is often crocked) or Lloyd. Hmm. We are weak there. Very weak.

Our first 11 on their game could give anyone a game for me. As they have shown.  But scratch the surface and a few sub-par performances and we could be struggling. As Sat showed.

 

I agree, there’s no way Crookes is going to dislodge Smith or Legge as Askey sees him as a left back. But he’s not a natural left back and you can tell as he doesn’t take up the same positions, make the same runs or have the same mobility as Gibbons does on the other side. I don’t think we have enough cover for LB, I don’t think the young lad is ready let. Monty isn’t a left back and neither is Lloyd, supposedly Evans can play both left and right back. For me I think we need a centre half, left back and centre mid. 

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2 minutes ago, PV1973 said:

I agree, there’s no way Crookes is going to dislodge Smith or Legge as Askey sees him as a left back. But he’s not a natural left back and you can tell as he doesn’t take up the same positions, make the same runs or have the same mobility as Gibbons does on the other side. I don’t think we have enough cover for LB, I don’t think the young lad is ready let. Monty isn’t a left back and neither is Lloyd, supposedly Evans can play both left and right back. For me I think we need a centre half, left back and centre mid. 

Boring answer mate but 100% agree. 

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20 minutes ago, PV1973 said:

I agree, there’s no way Crookes is going to dislodge Smith or Legge as Askey sees him as a left back. But he’s not a natural left back and you can tell as he doesn’t take up the same positions, make the same runs or have the same mobility as Gibbons does on the other side. I don’t think we have enough cover for LB, I don’t think the young lad is ready let. Monty isn’t a left back and neither is Lloyd, supposedly Evans can play both left and right back. For me I think we need a centre half, left back and centre mid. 

Agree with pretty much all of what’s been said in the last few posts.

I do however think that Campbell-Gordon will prove to be our most saleable asset and most likely to generate some much needed transfer income... rumour is he was offered a 1 yr deal by Brentford and was wanted by a few clubs.

For the good of the coffers we need to sell on some talent and pushing him further down the pecking order wouldn’t help that.

I don’t know the right answer but maybe putting faith in him puts him in the shop window, rather than him playing 3rd fiddle... it would certainly have an impact when the tribunal decides on our fee once he moves on after two years.

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3 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

Agree with pretty much all of what’s been said in the last few posts.

I do however think that Campbell-Gordon will prove to be our most saleable asset and most likely to generate some much needed transfer income... rumour is he was offered a 1 yr deal by Brentford and was wanted by a few clubs.

For the good of the coffers we need to sell on some talent and pushing him further down the pecking order wouldn’t help that.

I don’t know the right answer but maybe putting faith in him puts him in the shop window, rather than him playing 3rd fiddle... it would certainly have an impact when the tribunal decides on our fee once he moves on after two years.

The fee we get for him is easy I think. Take however many years he’s been with us from the academy and multiply it by around £25k approx (I think). There isn’t that much money to be made on young player sales these days, it’s the sell on fees that will net you the big bucks. We don’t have many saleable assets in the team really? Campbell-Gordon? Gibbons? Smith?

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11 minutes ago, PV1973 said:

The fee we get for him is easy. Take however many years he’s been with us and multiply it by around £25k approx (I think). There isn’t that much money to be made on young player sales these days, it’s the sell on fees that will net you the big bucks. We don’t have many saleable assets in the team really? Campbell-Gordon? Gibbons? Smith?

That is the problem in the post Bosman world. We can make nothing on players we develop these days. Unless we get lucky. But otherwise I agree with the two  of you, PV1973 and Iron Curtain.

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