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mr.hobblesworth

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I'd agree with that, and there are some claims that are relatively dismissable. However, I don't think you can dismiss them all and even when compromising, I find it hard to deny that Trump attracted many of his supporters by promoting an anti-BAME message. I think this is borne out by the alarming 'send them back' rhetoric.

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One of the quotes from vox is arguably quite pro BAME.

The one where he is stating the facts of how the black community is in such a bad state. 

He has had success with black employment figures and is pushing a prison reform that is probably the most important policy changes a president could make to benefit black Americans. 

 

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9 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

One of the quotes from vox is arguably quite pro BAME.

The one where he is stating the facts of how the black community is in such a bad state. 

He has had success with black employment figures and is pushing a prison reform that is probably the most important policy changes a president could make to benefit black Americans. 

 

You do realise he's a politician...... buying votes

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9 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

Trump doesn't demonize BAME people as far as I've ever seen.

Theres a tragically long history of mass shootings in America and it is almost always committed by young white men, we weren't blaming Obama for causing them though.

One of them was a leftist. Self confessed Democrat who had multiple anti trump social media posts and was believed to have supported the terror group antifa. His bio described him as a socialist.

You only have to go back a month to a radical leftist attacking an ICE facility with rifles and grenades.

Does trump get the blame for those too or can we blame the squad perhaps who have said that force needs to be used to liberate the "concentration camps" by any means.

Trump is doing some excellent work for minorities, I was reading up on his LGBT record the other day and it is actually incredible what he has done and is planning to do for that community. It doesn't stop the media telling people that he is anti lgbt and I think that is the same as other forms of discrimination.

It's a weapon. It has been used by the left for the last decade to smear opponents. 

Just reading up on the other one (el paso). Accepted in the media as a far right wing terrorist and the headlines of his alleged manifesto would back that up. He actually is also going in on humanity for the environmental records and for being so eco-unfriendly.

So maybe we can pin both of these on AOC if that's the game we are playing.

 

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1 minute ago, geosname said:

You do realise he's a politician...... buying votes

Absolutely. But the accusation is that he was buying racist white votes by spreading an anti BAME rhetoric. 

Also, it's the same as every politician. If his actions are positive for genuinely impoverished communities then great. Obama spoke a good game but did very little for them. The opposite of what trump is doing.

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9 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

Trump doesn't demonize BAME people as far as I've ever seen.

Theres a tragically long history of mass shootings in America and it is almost always committed by young white men, we weren't blaming Obama for causing them though.

One of them was a leftist. Self confessed Democrat who had multiple anti trump social media posts and was believed to have supported the terror group antifa. His bio described him as a socialist.

You only have to go back a month to a radical leftist attacking an ICE facility with rifles and grenades.

Does trump get the blame for those too or can we blame the squad perhaps who have said that force needs to be used to liberate the "concentration camps" by any means.

Trump is doing some excellent work for minorities, I was reading up on his LGBT record the other day and it is actually incredible what he has done and is planning to do for that community. It doesn't stop the media telling people that he is anti lgbt and I think that is the same as other forms of discrimination.

It's a weapon. It has been used by the left for the last decade to smear opponents. 

Identity politics is one of the lefts main weapons and they'll try to pin it on Trump.It suits their agenda on this issue and they also claim that:-

Black knife crime is the fault of austerity and lack of policing and Islamic terrorist murders the fault of mentally disturbed lone wolves.


However,white gun massacres in contrast though are the fault of white skinned racists… look no deeper,that is the message we are given constantly by the left.

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16 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

Absolutely. But the accusation is that he was buying racist white votes by spreading an anti BAME rhetoric. 

Also, it's the same as every politician. If his actions are positive for genuinely impoverished communities then great. Obama spoke a good game but did very little for them. The opposite of what trump is doing.

I'm not disagreeing mate..... just stating the obvious

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3 hours ago, For Us All said:

Identity politics is one of the lefts main weapons and they'll try to pin it on Trump.It suits their agenda on this issue and they also claim that:-

Black knife crime is the fault of austerity and lack of policing and Islamic terrorist murders the fault of mentally disturbed lone wolves.


However,white gun massacres in contrast though are the fault of white skinned racists… look no deeper,that is the message we are given constantly by the left.

So obviously cut and pasted from elsewhere it's in a different font! 

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On 05/08/2019 at 17:16, mr.hobblesworth said:

Surely it's the president's words and actions that are inflammatory. Not sure if this is the thread for it but do you think the weekend's shootings would have occurred if it wasn't for Trump's demonisation of BAME people?

Trump invites all people who want to come to the USA to apply through the proper legal channels. Are you aware that many of the children accompanying illegal immigrants into the USA at the Southern Border are being purchased in Mexico and other places on the journey north, the children are the welfare ticket. 

The comments by AOC and her cohorts about conditions on the Southern border are a pack of disgraceful lies uttered to keep the racism card burning bright, eg. people were not told to drink toilet water. Trump was reacting to Elija Cummings abusive questioning of a member of Homeland Security/Ice  on Capitol Hill about conditions on the Southern Border, Trump was pointing out the conditions in Cummings own constituency in Baltimore are even worse despite billions of dollars being recently spent. A former black democratic mayoress of Baltimore and Bernie Sanders have recently said similar things, are they racists.

AOC, Ilhan Omar and the rest of the squad repeatedly call America a garbage country and all Americans racist, even Nancy Pelosi was called a racist Trump was simply telling them they can go elsewhere to live if they  hate America so much. Ilhan Omar is under investigation for tax evasion, mis-appropriation of political funds and marrying her UK based brother to side step US immigartion laws etc.

Chinese Americans have the highest median household income in America, gain the highest SAT scores and a higher proportion get into the highest rated Universities and similar for people from India. So how come this is the case if America and all Americans are racist.

Your cut and paste from Vox is just typical blinkered, left wing out of context tripe.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Paul6754 said:

Ilhan Omar and the rest of the squad repeatedly call America a garbage country and all Americans racist

Trump was simply telling them they can go elsewhere to live if they  hate America so much.

No they don't.

No he didn't. He couched it in language inferring that US born people of colour don't belong there. He also stood there whilst his crowd repeatedly chanted 'send her back'. 

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On July 14, 2019, Trump tweeted that four Democratic members of Congress—Omar and three other women of color who were born in the United States—should "go back" to the "places from which they came."[141][142][143] In response, Omar said Trump was "stoking white nationalism" because he was "angry that people like us are serving in Congress and fighting against your hate-filled agenda."[142] Two days later the House of Representatives voted 240–187 to condemn Trump's "racist comments".[144] On July 17, it was reported that the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission lists the phrase "Go back to where you came from" as an example of "harassment based on national origin".[145]

Trump doubled down at a July 17 campaign rally in North Carolina, saying, "They never have anything good to say. That's why I say, 'Hey if you don’t like it, let 'em leave, let 'em leave'", and "I think in some cases they hate our country".[146] He also made a series of false and misleading claims about Omar, including allegations that she had praised al-Qaeda, argued for leniency with ISIS recruits, and "smeared" American soldiers who had fought in Battle of Mogadishu by bringing up the numerous Somali civilian casualties.[147][148] The crowd reacted by chanting, "Send her back, Send her back."[149][150] Trump later described the crowd as "incredible people, incredible patriots" and accused Omar of racism and antisemitism,[151] on July 19 claiming that she and the rest of the "Squad" had used the term "evil Jews" though there are no reports that any of them has done so.[152]

He seems nice.

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16 minutes ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

He seems nice.

Personally I can't see how he is not a racist.  However, the sad fact is that he does know exactly what he's doing and by playing to the white, working class vote that elected him in the last election, his ratings went up by 7 percentage points in the week following those utterances above.  This probably tells us much more about the average American voter than it does about Trump. Sadly, he's clearly on track to win another 4 year mandate in 2020 unless the Democrats find a candidate and a message to counter-balance his awful rhetoric!

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10 hours ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

No they don't.

No he didn't. He couched it in language inferring that US born people of colour don't belong there. He also stood there whilst his crowd repeatedly chanted 'send her back'. 

They may not have used the word "Garbage" but their words and rhetoric are anti American and the implications are clear. Eg, AOC at the Southern Border, "People told or forced to "Drink water from toilets" or words to that effect, an utter lie and inflammatory, use of  words like "Concentration Camps" to describe living conditions on the Southern Border, a total over exaggeration designed to make America and Americans look bad and racist.

Omar's use of the phrase whether in or out of context about Sept 11th 2001", "Some people did something", you have no idea how raw Americans feel about those words, heaven knows how the wives/husbands and children of the ca 3000 people who lost their lives that day. She's a muslim, a Congress woman and should have known better but that statement alone shows where her true allegiance lie irrespective lies.

The squad repeatedly use the the racism word, it's the only defense of their ridiculous policies, ask  Nancy Peolsi the leader of the House Democrats.

The squad hide behind their color and think no one can or will  take them to task or criticize them. Trump criticizes their ideas, policies and anti-American statements nothing else.

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