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I think we should ask the defenders we are due to face until the end of the season as to Miller or Pope? I don't think it would be as close as Brexit.!
Chatting to a Notts mate last week, who said "See you still got that battering ram, wish we had him". Pope is older than when in his prime, troubled with injuries, but when fit with reasonable service can use his experience to our advantage. We cannot rely on one striker nor can Pope expect to be the king pin as his powers decline.

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Haven't people realised that the whole team has been playing better over the last few games. Manny, Conlon and Worrall are almost unrecognisable from their poor performances before hand. Tom Pope certainly leads the line and can keep hold of the ball better than anyone else at the club.

I think that Pope would benefit from the new more attack minded system instead of being up there on his own with the midfield support far behind.

 

So leading the line and holding the ball wouldn’t be his job then Owd?His career has always been based on that,good luck with changing that.He’s not quick enough to get on the end of through balls.I’d use him as sub now or away from home if we go more defensive.

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If we continue to play 4-3-3 can we play Miller and Popey together?

 

If Pope and Miller play together we should play 4-4-2 as Miller will most likely be pushed out to the left like he was when he came on as a sub the other week and Pope was still on.

 

As an aside, we all saw how difficult Miller found the game on Saturday when to all intent and purpose he ended up playing up front on his own against Swindle.

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There was an interesting discussion on 5 Live tonight involving Glenn Murray, Chris Sutton and Ian Wright.

They were all saying that there is still a role for the old fashioned centre forward in the modern game because they can hold up the ball and get the team up the pitch. Murray is 35 but insisted that with support and service and players around him he felt he could still score goals and was worth his place in the team. It was also pointed out that quite a few top teams still play with an old fashioned target man, like Newcastle (Rondon), Watford (Deeney) & Burnley (Wood), to name but three. There is clearly still a role for these type of players in 2019.

 

It tended to back up what some of us have been saying. Experienced target men can't run the channels like some other inside forwards but they are able to make the ball stick, be a threat in the air and bring others into the game.

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There was an interesting discussion on 5 Live tonight involving Glenn Murray, Chris Sutton and Ian Wright.

They were all saying that there is still a role for the old fashioned centre forward in the modern game because they can hold up the ball and get the team up the pitch. Murray is 35 but insisted that with support and service and players around him he felt he could still score goals and was worth his place in the team. It was also pointed out that quite a few top teams still play with an old fashioned target man, like Newcastle (Rondon), Watford (Deeney) & Burnley (Wood), to name but three. There is clearly still a role for these type of players in 2019.

 

It tended to back up what some of us have been saying. Experienced target men can't run the channels like some other inside forwards but they are able to make the ball stick, be a threat in the air and bring others into the game.

 

Sadly he simply hasn’t done any of that this season sage.

 

He clearly wouldn’t suit the high pressing game Arthur favours either, you will note Leicester and Liverpool who both play that way don’t play with an immobile style target man.

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What game do you watch if you think Tom Pope is immobile?

 

I think the more pertinent question is what games do you watch if you think he is mobile? You must rock up to games rolling drunk and think it's the world moving rather than yourself. That's the only explanation I can think of :-)

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Pope is our top scorer still, despite playing on his own, 30 yards further up the pitch than anyone else for most of the season.

How many goals did Miller score before Askey came in and changed the way we play?

 

Murray is 35. Pope is just turned 33. You write about him as if he's 75 and in a bath chair. Ridiculous comments.

 

Like last season, if we stay up this season, Brown apart, Pope has done more for that cause than any other player.

 

If you seriously think Miller is a better all-round player and league goalscorer than Pope then you need to get another guide dog. :wink:

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Pope is our top scorer still, despite playing on his own, 30 yards further up the pitch than anyone else for most of the season.

How many goals did Miller score before Askey came in and changed the way we play?

 

Murray is 35. Pope is just turned 33. You write about him as if he's 75 and in a bath chair. Ridiculous comments.

 

Like last season, if we stay up this season, Brown apart, Pope has done more for that cause than any other player.

 

If you seriously think Miller is a better all-round player and league goalscorer than Pope then you need to get another guide dog. :wink:

Pope,apart from pens,has scored 5 league goals.Not good enough.Miller has 4 in half the playing time as Pope.

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Pope,apart from pens,has scored 5 league goals.Not good enough.Miller has 4 in half the playing time as Pope.

 

It's actually just less than half the playing time. In addition, both Monty and Whitfield have 4 goals to their name, again both in less than half the playing time than Pope (in the case of Monty, it's nearly a third of the playing time). Says it all really.

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It's actually just less than half the playing time. In addition, both Monty and Whitfield have 4 goals to their name, again both in less than half the playing time than Pope (in the case of Monty, it's nearly a third of the playing time). Says it all really.

Let’s not forget Tom sets up others for goals.2 assists this season.Luke Hannant ,who isn’t good enough according to quite a few,has 5 assists.

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So leading the line and holding the ball wouldn’t be his job then Owd?His career has always been based on that,good luck with changing that.He’s not quick enough to get on the end of through balls.I’d use him as sub now or away from home if we go more defensive.

 

Strange how the 3 goals scored v Yeovil were mad e for Pope being on

the pitch :

 

1. Header from a corner

 

2. Direct ball upfield, knocked on to support player

 

3. Cross from high up pitch wide right to far post

 

Not saying Pope should ever be an automatic pick but certainly the goals we created v Yeovil were made for him.

 

Our overall style, work rate / effort and attacking awareness are completely different from what we saw with Aspin in charge

 

We cant now kid ourselves that the 11 players with the jersey now are the end of our problems, they are not but the style of play is a refreshing change to Aspin's style.

We would still rely heavily on a sole striker scoring 25+ goals for us.

 

lets get the style and commitment right and then find the right players.

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Strange how the 3 goals scored v Yeovil were mad e for Pope being on

the pitch :

 

1. Header from a corner

 

2. Direct ball upfield, knocked on to support player

 

3. Cross from high up pitch wide right to far post

 

Not saying Pope should ever be an automatic pick but certainly the goals we created v Yeovil were made for him.

 

Our overall style, work rate / effort and attacking awareness are completely different from what we saw with Aspin in charge

 

We cant now kid ourselves that the 11 players with the jersey now are the end of our problems, they are not but the style of play is a refreshing change to Aspin's style.

We would still rely heavily on a sole striker scoring 25+ goals for us.

 

lets get the style and commitment right and then find the right players.

 

I think the movement

has improved markedly without Pope especially in the last 2 home games.There seems much more energy than before and more shots and chances being made.My mate thought “Glad all over”was last sung in the 60s.Ive actually got up out of my seat apart from when we’ve scored.As I’ve said Pope can be used in different circumstances,SL.

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