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If Sunderland bring 2000 or 4000 it matters not to me but if we can entice more Valiants to turn up by reducing the price and a fraction of them return on a more regular basis that will be great,so Vale must do everything they can to reduce the price..

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Also, and on the assumption, BBC and BT will both put on at least two games each I think we are certainties to be televised, because though they do indeed tend to favour games that may have a shock factor, hence the amount of NL, certainly lower league teams getting the limelight, this tie has everything, and could arguably have one of, if not the biggest attendance of the round

 

 

Not right often, so when I am, I have to fully milk it! :laugh:

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Apologies immediately for being an old duffer. But for God knows how many pages all I’ve read is about money, tv, Smurfthwaite’s back pocket etc etc.

 

To the older generation,the FA Cup was the highlight of the season, especially for lower division clubs like ourselves.

 

I grew up with my father telling me about ‘54 and Ronnie Allen and the disgraceful penalty decision and wondered if I would ever be fortunate enough to see that. I never considered money !

 

The FA Cup was our chance to mix it with the big boys, which was highly unlikely to ever happen in a league situation.

 

Now we have endless discussions about LOWERING the admission prices for what was the world’s most prestigious competition ! Gates used to be higher for FA Cup matches regardless of who you drew.

 

If this is what the FA Cup has come to, then it needs scrapping with immediate effect.: angry:

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Definitely. This is the time to think about the bigger picture. It's a free hit income wise, now that we're guaranteed £75k from TV money. Agree a price with Sunderland asap and look to get as many Vale fans in there as possible. So many benefits from doing so. Better support for the team considering the huge away crowd regardless of price. Put on a good show on live TV, and try to get as many in as possible. Would improve how the club looks to potential sponsors too. Set the price at £10 and push it like mad. Big opportunity here to show his long term commitment to the club.

 

I was thinking more potential BUYERS than SPONSORS, but agree completely with everything else...

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Apologies immediately for being an old duffer. But for God knows how many pages all I’ve read is about money, tv, Smurfthwaite’s back pocket etc etc.

 

To the older generation,the FA Cup was the highlight of the season, especially for lower division clubs like ourselves.

 

I grew up with my father telling me about ‘54 and Ronnie Allen and the disgraceful penalty decision and wondered if I would ever be fortunate enough to see that. I never considered money !

 

The FA Cup was our chance to mix it with the big boys, which was highly unlikely to ever happen in a league situation.

 

Now we have endless discussions about LOWERING the admission prices for what was the world’s most prestigious competition ! Gates used to be higher for FA Cup matches regardless of who you drew.

 

If this is what the FA Cup has come to, then it needs scrapping with immediate effect.: angry:

 

Another old duffer here. Back in the day FA Cup games got bigger gates than league games. Who can ever forget the first round replay in 1992. Winning at Old Trafford in 69. A wonderful night against Shrewsbury in 68. Beating Blackburn after a replay. These are just first round games. The glory of the FA Cup is something to be cherished. John Rudge's team in 87 took that as a launch pad for our greatest period in modern times. Great cup run and a giant killing then next season promotion to level 2. Sunderland at home is a fantastic draw let's enjoy it.

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Apologies immediately for being an old duffer. But for God knows how many pages all I’ve read is about money, tv, Smurfthwaite’s back pocket etc etc.

 

To the older generation,the FA Cup was the highlight of the season, especially for lower division clubs like ourselves.

 

I grew up with my father telling me about ‘54 and Ronnie Allen and the disgraceful penalty decision and wondered if I would ever be fortunate enough to see that. I never considered money !

 

The FA Cup was our chance to mix it with the big boys, which was highly unlikely to ever happen in a league situation.

 

Now we have endless discussions about LOWERING the admission prices for what was the world’s most prestigious competition ! Gates used to be higher for FA Cup matches regardless of who you drew.

 

If this is what the FA Cup has come to, then it needs scrapping with immediate effect.: angry:

It was the highlight of the season, blood and thunder usually, a mid Div3 team could put a Div1 team under pressure. 2 promotion places and no playoffs limited interest in the league also. Far fewer games on telly gave cup ties a sense of occasion too.

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Why reduce it? Sunderland will bring a decent following(possibly 4K) whether it's £12 or £20 quid. May as well get 20 quid a head out of the majority of them(concessions aside). It makes zero business sense to reduce the price for games like this! Sorry to sound mercenary I wouldn't dream of dropping the price for a game of this ilk! I believe you can't reduce anyway unless both sides agree + the fa!

 

I've been thinking along the same lines. Especially as it is on TV, how many extra Vale fans will get off their sofas at 10 quid? I doubt more than 1,000. Whereas 3-4,000 Mackems will probably turn up either way.

 

On the other hand, we need to not be embarrassed by a low turnout of home fans and, if we are to stand any chance, we need fans to get behind the team. It's a tough call.

 

It's interesting to consider the share of gate money (45% to each team)- might add up to 60k each, or half that if the tickets are reduced below 12 pounds. Each club gets 75k TV money. In contrast, Sunderland received a parachute payment of 45 million from the PL for failing in the Championship last season, will get another 34 million this season and 15 million next season.

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Some of the best, most exciting games with the best atmosphere and best singing I've ever seen/heard at Vale Park have been in the FA Cup when we went and drew away on the Saturday and had a replay at Vale Park, usually on the Monday night.

 

The FA Cup has lost something now the replays are a week and a bit later.

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Oh no, someone "bit".

 

It wasn't a wind up, I have BT Sport at home and it would be easier to avoid the 50+ mile round trip to sit in a draughty stadium watching us get beaten... Especially if I have to pay to get in.

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Some of the best, most exciting games with the best atmosphere and best singing I've ever seen/heard at Vale Park have been in the FA Cup when we went and drew away on the Saturday and had a replay at Vale Park, usually on the Monday night.

 

The FA Cup has lost something now the replays are a week and a bit later.

 

That 10-day rule came in during the days of football hooliganism when the police insisted on having longer to prepare for replays.

 

It's now totally unnecessary but everything in football has gone soft and players ''can't'' play games in quick succession....so even if the 10-day rule was removed, many clubs would be against it.

 

This rule, along with holding the semi's at Wembley, TV dictating kickoff times and the disdain shown by Premier League clubs towards the competition have pretty much ruined the FA Cup.

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Apologies immediately for being an old duffer. But for God knows how many pages all I’ve read is about money, tv, Smurfthwaite’s back pocket etc etc.

 

To the older generation,the FA Cup was the highlight of the season, especially for lower division clubs like ourselves.

 

I grew up with my father telling me about ‘54 and Ronnie Allen and the disgraceful penalty decision and wondered if I would ever be fortunate enough to see that. I never considered money !

 

The FA Cup was our chance to mix it with the big boys, which was highly unlikely to ever happen in a league situation.

 

Now we have endless discussions about LOWERING the admission prices for what was the world’s most prestigious competition ! Gates used to be higher for FA Cup matches regardless of who you drew.

 

If this is what the FA Cup has come to, then it needs scrapping with immediate effect.: angry:

 

I agree with all of that, however the big difference between then and now is cost. Going to a match is now a luxury, so people have to prioritise more. Football was a sport affordable to the working man, and TV wasn't as much of an alternative. The cost pf football and the increasing opportunities to watch from home, mean fans have become customers. Football clubs are in competition with TV at times, ifollow, and also in competition with everyday priorities. To compete clubs have to either slash prices, or produce winning teams.

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I agree with all of that, however the big difference between then and now is cost. Going to a match is now a luxury, so people have to prioritise more. Football was a sport affordable to the working man, and TV wasn't as much of an alternative. The cost pf football and the increasing opportunities to watch from home, mean fans have become customers. Football clubs are in competition with TV at times, ifollow, and also in competition with everyday priorities. To compete clubs have to either slash prices, or produce winning teams.

 

I would say the latter.

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I would say the latter.

 

I agree to an extent, I think in the first instance attendances will increase due to winning games, but lower league football clubs by their very nature, can't maintain a winning team for a great length of time. Bournemouth are probably the exception. Once you have attracted fans through a winning team, yes, try to maintain that winning team, but setting a price structure that keeps people coming is what's needed, especially when you've got the capacity that we have. That's where we went wrong after promotion. Attracted big crowds, but did nothing as they slowly but surely dwindled. The odd token price drop since hasn't been drastic enough to have fans flooding back, especially when investment into the playing side has been non existent, despite making millions through transfers.

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the first round of the F.A cup is the best round of them all, some non league clubs have had to play 7 games just to reach this round its brilliant and it doesn't get enough respect, everyone seems to think the 3rd round is the one when all the greedy league teams come into it, not me id rather get a non league team who actually are buzzing about playing in the competition instead of a greedy league who will completely change their team because the competition means nothing to them anymore

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£15 Adults, £10 18-21 and £5 Kids (£2 more in Lorne Street).

 

Decent pricing that is.

 

That's what we should have gone for if it wasn't on tv. I fear £15 will deter some people, as will this nonsense about £2 more on the day. What's that all about?

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