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What was the point in signing Vassell? If we're having to play Hannant at left back, instead of putting Clarke there as he played in our clean sheet victory against Crawley and putting Vassell at right back, is that another signing (Howe, Daniels, Kanu) which we've not done our scouting for and have quickly realised they're not up to scratch?

 

I'll say it once more; starting Hannant at left back, with Vassell on the bench and Gibbons not in the 18, is fairly indefensible.

Clark looked to have a dead leg for much of the first half and I thought we were in danger of having to bring Vassell on at right back, which would have been another player out of position.

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Firstly I want Smurf as far away from our club as possible, just thought I'd make that clear before my 2nd point.

 

Stop banging on about what a wonderful owner / chairman FGR have. They stayed up like ourselves by the skin of their teeth having been in the bottom 4 all season. He also smugly proclaimed League 2 was easier to get out of than the Conference.

They are to pocket a million quid from Doidge, let's see how much goes back into the team.

They are not some wonder club and have won 2 from 7 having drawn the rest, admittedly way better than us.

He is a smarmy arrogant git not some John Madjeski taking them to the Championship.

If he is such a caring wonderful guy why did he toy with their League existence last season instead of going for broke seeing as he is cash rich.

Just because Smurf is ruining our club doesn't make other chairmen Superman

 

An owner of a club that has taken them in to the football league for the first time ever, built a new ground, taken them from average gates of less than 200 to over 2000, invested millions, built an infrastructure for a solid league club, bottom 2 at Christmas last season so invested more money to bring in players as to stay up, undefeated this season so looking very much like they have progressed.

 

And we have Smurf.

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Ray Williams takes miserable pills before every game. It's a well known fact! If you listen to what he said at the end of the game he was much more positive about Vale.

 

Who told you that Jean.I must admit with you in goal I wouldn't need them.😉

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Firstly I want Smurf as far away from our club as possible, just thought I'd make that clear before my 2nd point.

 

Stop banging on about what a wonderful owner / chairman FGR have. They stayed up like ourselves by the skin of their teeth having been in the bottom 4 all season. He also smugly proclaimed League 2 was easier to get out of than the Conference.

They are to pocket a million quid from Doidge, let's see how much goes back into the team.

They are not some wonder club and have won 2 from 7 having drawn the rest, admittedly way better than us.

He is a smarmy arrogant git not some John Madjeski taking them to the Championship.

If he is such a caring wonderful guy why did he toy with their League existence last season instead of going for broke seeing as he is cash rich.

Just because Smurf is ruining our club doesn't make other chairmen Superman

 

I wish folk on here would cut out the hyperbole. I have not been "banging on" about how "wonderful" Vince is. I have just been pointing out that he has done a far better job at FGR than Norman has at Vale.

 

If you contrast the development and progress of Forest Green while Vince has been the owner with the progress and development of Vale while Norman has been in charge I think you'll see a marked difference.

 

I don't like Vince as a person, but I can't argue with what he's done for that club, taking them from the bottom of the Conference to the top half of the the league above, doubling their crowds and tripling their turnover.

 

And with regard to last season, in the January window the club spent money to keep themselves in the league - Gavin Gunning, whom we couldn't afford, and a decent fee for Rueben Reed being the main incomings.

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Playing people out of position? Well Hannant was fine as a stand in LB and I can see why the alternative of moving Clark over and playing Gibbons didn’t look that much better. We don’t have the luxury of equivalent quality cover in every position because a few players are off form. Changes were forced by injuries so arguably motm ie Manny ... do you not play him because he’s had a couple of injuries, do you not try out Conlon (who acquitted himself well) because he’s been injured (though I’ll credit the idea Hardcastle did enough v Newport to maybe keep his place)? Smith for Legge was a forced change.

Formations, this idea of a negative set up doesn’t hold water with me. First 15 mins Worral and Whitfield were closing down their defenders in their final third and we were getting loads of good possession in their half. Gifting a silly goal from a set piece is what changed the first half. For culprits look at the right side of defence and Joyce... not where many are saying the problems are.

Miller did well when he came on and I know he wants goals but he is inclined to shoot when someone else is in a better position and other forwards put more of a shift in when we haven’t got the ball. I don’t find it glaringly obvious that playing him in a 442 is a better way to start unless he ups his team game a bit.

All in all, I’m confident results will turn.

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The reason Aspin feels the need to play players out of position is because we don’t sign players to play in a position. When was the last time we had a left back at the club who played left back for us? I can’t remember, must be over a year. And when did we have wingers playing on the wing? We sign hundreds of players but not for where we are weak.

 

How many players do we have in the squad? If they were all fit would Aspin play them all in the position they are best at?

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Yeah, the players need to be flexible to play regularly, Hannant - you could play in goal and he’d still put in a 7/10 performance because he’s bright enough to understand and willing enough to adapt to different jobs.

Miller will give you 9/10 once a month and if he’s not scoring (which I know we need someone to do more of) you can end up carrying him a bit - he might improve on the team ethic side of things now he knows he isn’t an automatic starter. I’d give Millera run now but I think it’s far from glaringly obvious that he should have beeen starting the last few weeks.

Smith and Gibbons have been off form, it happens, but they need to work hard 5o get back in contention. It has been right to change that around.

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Playing people out of position? Well Hannant was fine as a stand in LB and I can see why the alternative of moving Clark over and playing Gibbons didn’t look that much better. We don’t have the luxury of equivalent quality cover in every position because a few players are off form. Changes were forced by injuries so arguably motm ie Manny ... do you not play him because he’s had a couple of injuries, do you not try out Conlon (who acquitted himself well) because he’s been injured (though I’ll credit the idea Hardcastle did enough v Newport to maybe keep his place)? Smith for Legge was a forced change.

Formations, this idea of a negative set up doesn’t hold water with me. First 15 mins Worral and Whitfield were closing down their defenders in their final third and we were getting loads of good possession in their half. Gifting a silly goal from a set piece is what changed the first half. For culprits look at the right side of defence and Joyce... not where many are saying the problems are.

Miller did well when he came on and I know he wants goals but he is inclined to shoot when someone else is in a better position and other forwards put more of a shift in when we haven’t got the ball. I don’t find it glaringly obvious that playing him in a 442 is a better way to start unless he ups his team game a bit.

All in all, I’m confident results will turn.

We’ve got 2 full backs fit and instead we move Hannant to play left back and shift a centre midfielder to left wing. Clark hasn’t let us down at left back this season, Gibbons hasn’t let us down at right back. We have players who can play in the positions, who are specialists in those positions and yet Aspin still moves people around. This isn’t a computer game, it’s not as easy as it may look making a player suddenly become a defender instead of an attacker. It’s a massive gamble to keep putting square pegs in round holes and we got away with it yesterday.

Edited by PV1973

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Not sure who this left winger was, I thought we played Pope, Worrall and Whitfield with Clark and Hannant supporting, with the possible exception of Worrall (even though he worked hard) all did a decent job for long spells.

I think Gibbo is off form and I think Hannant worked at full back... all opinions, I suppose. Don’t forget Hannant has been working with Monty on that side. Sorry, not square pegs in round holes for me.

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I sometimes wonder if I've been at the same game as many of the posters on here. And then I remember that most of them haven't been there so that explains it.

 

Firstly, I heard callers to Radio Stoke talking about how we had started slowly again today. No we didn't. We could quite easily have been in the lead before they scored after Conlon had a very good shot saved by the keeper's legs and Whitfield and Pope skewed the follow ups. Then Pope himself had a header wide. Yes the goal we conceded was poor but that was fifteen minutes into the game after we had had the better chances.

 

I said at half time that you could have put me in goal for Vale and it would still only have been 1-0 because I honsetly couldn't remember a single effort they had had on goal apart from that header.

 

We get a draw away at one of only tree unbeaten teams in our league who had just scored seven goals in their last two games and folk on here seem dissatisfied because we didn't play like Barcelona. FGR are a better team than they were last season yet we lost down there in January and were considerably more useless than we were today.

 

Aspin is not the best appointment we could have made but he's probably the only one who was prepared to come for the sort of salary on offer. Live with it because in contrast to FGR, we have an owner to has no emotional commitment to the club at all.

 

Agree with all this. Part of the problem is that people who don’t go only have Radio Stoke as a reference point... and that unfortunately means that they only have Ray Williams boarderline unprofessional negativity to go by.

 

I watched the game on ifollow and his dour attitude is going too far.

 

He made FGR sound like Barcelona in the first half oohing and ahhhing every time they played a triangle at the back without threatening the vale at all.... when the vale did the exact same thing it was because “we don’t have any options”

 

When we started to dominate and looked the better side all he could say was that FGR has “taken their foot off the gas”

 

When their winger was hassled into not being able to play a cross and kept having to exchange passes with their midfielder in the corner and it was suggested that the vale had defended well, Ray could only say “well to me it just looked like they were having fun”

 

There were countless examples where he took the absolute negative viewpoint of anything.

 

My favourite was a comment about Manny. Instead of saying “Manny has been or best player” he took the negative twist “none of the other vale players have been anywhere near as good as Manny today” ... it’s a real negative gift to turn a positive into a negative like that!

 

On Praise and Grumble when asked to say something positive and asked about the improvement in performance in the second half and how the vale were the better team... his actual answer was “the goal they conceded in the first half was bad”

 

He clearly has an issue with someone at the club and it’s beconing unprofessional.

 

If he is the only reference point for people who cant make it to see the game then no wonder the place is surrounded with a negative vibe... and then praise and grumble has the cheek to have a go because we are not positive enough.

Edited by Iron Curtain

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You moan about Aspin playing players out of position then in your side have Hannant on the right side of midfield. :clap:

 

We don't even have any genuine wide players, you melt.

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A left midfielder at left back and a centre midfielder at left wing is 100% square pegs in round holes. No reason not to play Clark left back, Gibbo right and Hannant left wing. None whatsoever. We got away with it yesterday, and the worrying thing is the managers continued trend for doing that in other positions too in other games this season.

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Most of all of them, really! There is no allowance for people making mistakes; players underperforming or not achieving expected potentials - it's straight into screech mode. There appears - as I said - to be no real point to anything, just hysterical gibberish! Is that ok with you?

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Hannant is right footed. Thats what he takes his set pieces with. He often shows a tendency to drift inside/cut back.

 

According to Aspin, Hannant is two footed.

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