Brexit again...

[SourceOfTheTrent]

Decided to prepare for the future after advice by my favourite Aussie Tim Martin.

No more French and Italian,it's all Australian and New Zealand wine from now on.

And what does that achieve?

[philpvfc]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jun/13/wetherspoons-to-sell-more-non-eu-drinks-in-run-up-to-brexit

 

Wetherspoons business booming with none EU produce giving better value to its customers.

 

And this is an article from the left wing pro remain brigade.

[Santa]

Wetherspoons business booming with none EU produce giving better value to its customers.

 

And this is an article from the left wing pro remain brigade.

It's a syndicated PA article published in the Guardian, consisting mainly of quotes.

 

The only issue I have with Wetherspoons' position on this is that it's complete horse shít.

 

The EU doesn't imposes tariffs on the 93% of the world that isn't the EU. There are just 24 countries we trade with on WTO terms where the MFN tariff applies. All the rest are on preferential or free trade deals.

 

The EU tariff on wine from Australia is currently €0.099 per litre for wine 13% ABV. That works out at between 6.5p and 8p a bottle.

 

The EU is in the process of negotiating a free trade deal with Australia. It already has a free trade deal on Chilean wine.

 

The main amount of duty charged on wine is UK excise duty, not EU tariffs. HM government levies £2.16 plus VAT on a bottle of wine.

 

Emperor Palpatine is talking out of his árse.

[For Us All]

Surely many companies like Airbus and BMW will consider their options once the UK leaves the EU. Most likely there are incentives for them to operate within EU countries. Once the UK leaves, unless it gives the same (or probably, better) incentives, then it makes sense to consider moving operations elsewhere.

 

I just do not see where the UK is the winner in this scenario.

 

Nobody's yet mentioned the £17billion of illegal subsidies the corrupt EU has given to Airbus.

I wonder why?

[SourceOfTheTrent]

It's a syndicated PA article published in the Guardian, consisting mainly of quotes.

 

The only issue I have with Wetherspoons' position on this is that it's complete horse shít.

 

The EU doesn't imposes tariffs on the 93% of the world that isn't the EU. There are just 24 countries we trade with on WTO terms where the MFN tariff applies. All the rest are on preferential or free trade deals.

 

The EU tariff on wine from Australia is currently €0.099 per litre for wine 13% ABV. That works out at between 6.5p and 8p a bottle.

 

The EU is in the process of negotiating a free trade deal with Australia. It already has a free trade deal on Chilean wine.

 

The main amount of duty charged on wine is UK excise duty, not EU tariffs. HM government levies £2.16 plus VAT on a bottle of wine.

 

Emperor Palpatine is talking out of his árse.

Bob on Santa. Jingoism for the empire days from one of those colonial types. Isn't even British, by jove! The cheek of the bounder!

[SourceOfTheTrent]

Nobody's yet mentioned the £17billion of illegal subsidies the corrupt EU has given to Airbus.

I wonder why?

More pointless anti-EU rubbish. It's been rife in the industry across the globe ...

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-38131611

 

Why wouldn't the EU seek to assist and protect a key industry in the face of the same protection and assistance being given to its main rivals? Two wrongs don't make a right though and the WTO were correct to drag the issues up.

[SourceOfTheTrent]

BTW, yet again no substance to the pro-leave argument, easily shot down in flames.

[philpvfc]

In your arrogant opinion maybe but it possibly shows why Airbus are so vocal against a trade agreement being sorted so soon.

[philpvfc]

It's a syndicated PA article published in the Guardian, consisting mainly of quotes.

 

The only issue I have with Wetherspoons' position on this is that it's complete horse shít.

 

The EU doesn't imposes tariffs on the 93% of the world that isn't the EU. There are just 24 countries we trade with on WTO terms where the MFN tariff applies. All the rest are on preferential or free trade deals.

 

The EU tariff on wine from Australia is currently €0.099 per litre for wine 13% ABV. That works out at between 6.5p and 8p a bottle.

 

The EU is in the process of negotiating a free trade deal with Australia. It already has a free trade deal on Chilean wine.

 

The main amount of duty charged on wine is UK excise duty, not EU tariffs. HM government levies £2.16 plus VAT on a bottle of wine.

 

Emperor Palpatine is talking out of his árse.

 

You make the EU sound great but the truth is that no country dealing with us should be paying WTO tariffs and why should the EU be pocketing any tariff on wine destined to the U.K.? everyone winging about possible tariffs being placed on us after Brexit. Surely the £25 million pounds paid by Australia wines to the EU every year would be better going in to British coffers or seeing the price of wine going down to the end consumer?

[SourceOfTheTrent]

In your arrogant opinion maybe but it possibly shows why Airbus are so vocal against a trade agreement being sorted so soon.

Which trade agreement is this? Not the UK-EU one they want sorting asap is it?

Why are you anti-Airbus? It's a European company that has significant manufacturing and suppliers in the UK, or would you prefer all that disappeared and we hand it all to the USA instead?

[philpvfc]

Not anti Airbus at all and I fully understand why all businesses want the Brexit trade deal sorting out ASAP but there is no point making threats to the government to speed up the process or be more transparent. The current negotiations are ongoing and it is obvious that both parties need an agreement and will be sorted as I’m sure Airbus fully know.

[Santa]

Aerospace is big and complicated. Development costs are great. Money has been diverted by both the US governments and those of individual EU countries for years. Boeing and Airbus have always complained about the amounts of public money the other receives.

[SourceOfTheTrent]

You make the EU sound great but the truth is that no country dealing with us should be paying WTO tariffs and why should the EU be pocketing any tariff on wine destined to the U.K.? everyone winging about possible tariffs being placed on us after Brexit. Surely the £25 million pounds paid by Australia wines to the EU every year would be better going in to British coffers or seeing the price of wine going down to the end consumer?

More inaccurate statements there, firstly for there to be no WTO tariffs there have to be trade agreements in place. If you think that will happen any time soon good luck and dream on. Totally open free trade would be disasterous for UK industry, for example, how long do you think the UK ceramics industry would last if the Chinese were free to sell hotelware at whatever price and volume they chose? The same applies to other industries like steel.

As for Australian wines the EU tariffs are minimal and may soon disappear altogether and unless you're raging alcoholic consuming vast quantities of it the price reduction to you, he end consumer, of less than 10p a bottle will hardly make a difference to you.

Also, large quantities of UK bulk imported Australian wine are bottled here and sold on into the EU market. Leaving the single market will kill this trade, yet another economic shot in our own foot.

So, yet again Brexit myths debunked. Got any more ?

[philpvfc]

More inaccuracies, no, leaving the single market will not kill this trade at all in fact if we have zero tariffs with Australia and zero tariffs with the EU this trade will be a lot more profitable. Another remoan prediction that will probably be total bull ****.

[Santa]

Not anti Airbus at all and I fully understand why all businesses want the Brexit trade deal sorting out ASAP but there is no point making threats to the government to speed up the process or be more transparent. The current negotiations are ongoing and it is obvious that both parties need an agreement and will be sorted as I’m sure Airbus fully know.

Bear in mind this is just one sector and there are hundreds of them that all need to be ironed out in very fine detail. It gives you an idea just how much detail the government will need to delve into with each individual sector.

 

Every industry has its own set of EU regulatory standards which will need to be regulated and aligned in order to continue trading with many overseas jurisdictions. It's all very well 'cutting red tape' but you can't export goods to other countries if you don't comply with their standards.

 

At my work we have to comply an agency called REACH. For Airbus there is a body called the European Aviation Safety Agency. Aviation safety is kind of a big deal. The UK will either have to remain part of this agency after leaving the EU or replace it with something that satisfies all the requirements and will continue to be aligned with it.

 

It's not just Airbus. If they did move, anyone in the UK who made parts for them would still have to comply with EU standards. All in all it's estimated that Airbus keeps 110,000 people in jobs in the UK.

 

There's a quote from their CEO last week in a news report that said "we have sought to highlight our concerns over the past 12 months, without success. [...] Far from Project Fear, this is a dawning reality" . It sounds like they are massively frustrated that nobody in government is listening to them.