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10 hours ago, Mario said:

I agree with you 100%

However.....

If she knew what she was talking about and didn't talk such rubbish and sound so completely out of her depth she would not get any more abuse than any other member of parliament.

Her decision to send her child to a private school invited abuse.

Her comment West Indian mums will go to the wall for their children has invited abuse.

Her career is strewn with gaffes that invite abuse I could go on and on.

I agree with you, the abuse is wrong, but she does invite it on to herself.

 

 

 

 

What a ridiculous thing to say.  

Many many white Male MPs have said and done far worse without much backlash at all.  However, Abbott is a black female, I suspect that is what "invites" the abuse.

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11 hours ago, Mario said:

I agree with you 100%

However.....

If she knew what she was talking about and didn't talk such rubbish and sound so completely out of her depth she would not get any more abuse than any other member of parliament.

Her decision to send her child to a private school invited abuse.

Her comment West Indian mums will go to the wall for their children has invited abuse.

Her career is strewn with gaffes that invite abuse I could go on and on.

I agree with you, the abuse is wrong, but she does invite it on to herself.

 

 

 

Agreed, all abuse is abhorrent and I dont doubt that her gender and race sadly play a part in the higher levels of abuse she gets.

But another factor will be the amount of utter rubbish and laughable gaffes that come out of her mouth. 

 

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11 hours ago, Mario said:

I agree with you 100%

However.....

If she knew what she was talking about and didn't talk such rubbish and sound so completely out of her depth she would not get any more abuse than any other member of parliament.

I don't agree.  There are a considerable number of male MPs who talk utter rubbish and don't know what they're talking about.  Andrew Bridgen for example, was on Radio 5 telling the world that as an Englishman he was entitled to an Irish passport.  Dominic Raab was confused about the role of Dover in our trade with Europe.  Just a couple of examples off the top of my head. 

Abbott gets the level of abuse because she is black and female.  Any who think those two aspects are not a the main reason for it is deluded I think.  Even excluding Abbott, Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic female MPs received 35% more threats than their white counterparts.  These frequently include threats of rape, death and appalling racist language.

Abbott receives so many abusive messages now that they are not sent to the police straightaway but bundled together and sent en masse at the end of each week.

I don't like the woman but this sort of treatment of a democratically elected MP from racist bigots reflects very badly on certain sections of our society.

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25 minutes ago, Aussie Rules said:

Oh! Is that what they were -  'discussions'.

Competitively speaking I suppose so mate...... one side saying I want something..... the other side saying you can't have it..... followed by charge or shoot or similar.

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56 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

Agreed, all abuse is abhorrent and I dont doubt that her gender and race sadly play a part in the higher levels of abuse she gets.

But another factor will be the amount of utter rubbish and laughable gaffes that come out of her mouth. 

 

I mean yeh, I know what you mean.  Borris, Mike and Nige spent weeks standing in front of a big red bus daubed in rubbish and a laughable "gaff" so they have brought all the abuse on themselves...  oh wait?  How many threats of rape, how many death threats and how many racial slurs have they endured over twitter?

It's a good insight into some bodies psych when you see them part justifying racial and  sexist abuse.

Apologist for racist bigots.

 

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38 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

I mean yeh, I know what you mean.  Borris, Mike and Nige spent weeks standing in front of a big red bus daubed in rubbish and a laughable "gaff" so they have brought all the abuse on themselves...  oh wait?  How many threats of rape, how many death threats and how many racial slurs have they endured over twitter?

It's a good insight into some bodies psych when you see them part justifying racial and  sexist abuse.

Apologist for racist bigots.

 

You dont understand basic English. 

Please stop your campaign of utter lies about me. 

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22 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

You dont understand basic English. 

Please stop your campaign of utter lies about me. 

Oh I understand it perfectly.  Mario said that he does not agree with the abuse "but"  Diane Abbott bought alot of it on herself and you said "I agree".

That's akin to saying, I arent racist but...

Or try, nobody should be raped but she didnt help herself by getting <ovf censored> faced.

You are an apologist for people who have directed racist and sexist abuse at Dianne Abbott - FACT.

When somebody receives racist and sexist abuse it is of ZERO relevance what she has said or done politically or otherwise.  Absolutely no defence whatsoever so you are offering excuses for abuse which is strange as you cry your eyes out when I call you a name for trotting out utter gibberish and making laughable gaffes.

So next time I call you a pillock, you have zero ground to complain because you have just basically said that whilst you dont agree with the abuse you can understand why it happens....

 

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If you dont think that's right RB, retract what you have said and apologise.  There is no "BUTS" to be had when condemning racist and sexist abuse.  In fact there are no Buts to be had when condemning anything, adding a "but" simply makes the condemnation back handed.

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3 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

 IF labour win the next election, then da will become Home Secretary can we really afford that?... and i'm not sexist just a realist...

 

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What a ridiculous thing to say.  

Many many white Male MPs have said and done far worse without much backlash at all.  However, Abbott is a black female, I suspect that is what "invites" the abuse.

sorry about that I put the cart before the horse...

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3 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

 

What a ridiculous thing to say.  

Many many white Male MPs have said and done far worse without much backlash at all.  However, Abbott is a black female, I suspect that is what "invites" the abuse.

Thatcher said ridiculous things.

Corbyn says ridiculous things.

Boris says ridiculous things on a daily basis.

Khan says ridiculous things.

Thornberry says ridiculous things.

Lammy says ridiculous things.

They have all received abuse.

If ANY politician regardless of colour, creed, LGBT, transgender, vegetarian or gay says anything ridiculous then they will invite abuse,it's their brain and ability under discussion not their ethnicity.

And before you try and twist it NO I dont agree with it in any shape or form.

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48 minutes ago, Mario said:

Thatcher said ridiculous things.

Corbyn says ridiculous things.

Boris says ridiculous things on a daily basis.

Khan says ridiculous things.

Thornberry says ridiculous things.

Lammy says ridiculous things.

They have all received abuse.

If ANY politician regardless of colour, creed, LGBT, transgender, vegetarian or gay says anything ridiculous then they will invite abuse,it's their brain and ability under discussion not their ethnicity.

And before you try and twist it NO I dont agree with it in any shape or form.

But if you look at the degree and nature of the of abuse Abbott receives compared to other female MPs, some of whom regularly talk out of their bottoms, you have to think there is more to it than just the fact that she says daft things.  The abuse in many cases is nothing to do with Abbot's brain or ability but purely to do with her sex and colour.

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31 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

But if you look at the degree and nature of the of abuse Abbott receives compared to other female MPs, some of whom regularly talk out of their bottoms, you have to think there is more to it than just the fact that she says daft things.  The abuse in many cases is nothing to do with Abbot's brain or ability but purely to do with her sex and colour.

Sorry don't agree, if she's holding a position as important as Home Secretary then she as got to be able to talk facts with conviction, and not waffle on, these interviews we all know about were cringe worthy to say the least. Other politicians men and women, coloured, waffle but she has one of the 3 top jobs in a government...

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7 minutes ago, Davebrad said:

Sorry don't agree, if she's holding a position as important as Home Secretary then she as got to be able to talk facts with conviction, and not waffle on, these interviews we all know about were cringe worthy to say the least. Other politicians men and women, coloured, waffle but she has one of the 3 top jobs in a government...

What on earth are you talking about?  She's not in government and never has been.

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5 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

But if you look at the degree and nature of the of abuse Abbott receives compared to other female MPs, some of whom regularly talk out of their bottoms, you have to think there is more to it than just the fact that she says daft things.  The abuse in many cases is nothing to do with Abbot's brain or ability but purely to do with her sex and colour.

Understood, the racist comments she makes don't make her popular with the wider community outside of North London though.

Maybe she makes more gaffes disproportionately then other female MP's.

As for abuse I bet Rees Mogg and Boris run her close !

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1 minute ago, Mario said:

Understood, the racist comments she makes don't make her popular with the wider community outside of North London though.

Maybe she makes more gaffes disproportionately then other female MP's.

As for abuse I bet Rees Mogg and Boris run her close !

I doubt either of those have been threatened with rape or abused because they are white.

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4 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

I doubt either of those have been threatened with rape or abused because they are white.

Well they are both public school boys so re.Rape who could possibly say what goes on in the dorms.!

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