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3 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

Keep up at the back there - the Guardian hasn’t been a broadsheet for years, Barry!!

😮 Sorry Jean, do I have to stay back after the bell?

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25 minutes ago, geosname said:

With bercow possibly denying a vote, court still looking, hundreds of amendments possibly added to delay, other tactics possible..... why is the £ going up?....... does someone know something?

Yes. They think we are staying in.

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15 minutes ago, tommytunstall said:

Yes. They think we are staying in.

You may be right.

It went from 37bht to 39bht when Boris came back with a deal..... then dipped after super Saturday.

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1 hour ago, Davebrad said:

but its the only one on the table...

Are we happy with this deal then?

Just because it's the only one currently being offered doesnt mean it should be agreed surely?  If this deal is detrimental to workers rights for example, dont the MPs have a duty to dig deeper and maybe oppose it.

The problem here isnt the opposition, however any one of you might like to suggest it is.  The problem here is that the Tories and particularly Boris has deliberately left this until the last minute to try and rush through his agenda without people getting the chance to properly scrutinise it.  

Whatever they say, we are not leaving on the 31st so presumably we will see Boris dead in a ditch somewhere.

The £ has gone up Geo because we arent leaving yet, simple.  Boris's mates will be after his blood now because his failure to deliver his promise to them of crashing out on the 31st will have cost them alot of money.  

Its unraveling and that's one parties fault.  TORY!  They devised it, failed to plan it and haven't delivered it - nobody else.

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3 hours ago, geosname said:

I wanted to remain.

 

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So you can see that leave did highlight the issue, amongst others. But ‘project fear’ was called a disgrace for suggesting it. 

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41 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

 

The £ has gone up Geo because we arent leaving yet, simple.  Boris's mates will be after his blood now because his failure to deliver his promise to them of crashing out on the 31st will have cost them alot of money.  

It went up faster when he announced a deal to leave..... it seems odd for it to go up when there are so many spanners to throw into the works.... it's dipping again now bercow has put the breaks on but it's trying to hold it's own.... it could be other factors of course and where money is concerned nothing is simple.

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3 hours ago, geosname said:

With bercow possibly denying a vote, court still looking, hundreds of amendments possibly added to delay, other tactics possible..... why is the £ going up?....... does someone know something?

Burko the impartial could be running out of ideas?

 

 

 

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Cannot see why Berko has not allowed a vote this time. Even the bookies were only giving evens on either way. He should not have allowed May to have as many votes but this time is a farce to disallow it.

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9 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

Cannot see why Berko has not allowed a vote this time. 

For the same reason he didn’t allow another vote on May’s deal, which the likes of Rees Mogg thought was the correct ruling. 

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4 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

Cannot see why Berko has not allowed a vote this time. Even the bookies were only giving evens on either way. He should not have allowed May to have as many votes but this time is a farce to disallow it.

I must say he's quite good at making laws up has he goes along?

He might as well come out and just say that he wants to stop Brexit because it's plain for everyone to see.

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19 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

Cannot see why Berko has not allowed a vote this time. Even the bookies were only giving evens on either way. He should not have allowed May to have as many votes but this time is a farce to disallow it.

Cant really expect replays after 49 hours when nothing has changed.

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5 minutes ago, For Us All said:

I must say he's quite good at making laws up has he goes along?

He might as well come out and just say that he wants to stop Brexit because it's plain for everyone to see.

Pathetic drivel at best.

MPs voted on Saturday to debate and vote on the withdrawal agreement before they decide on Boris's deal.  Why on earth would it be proper to then disregard that vote and push on with the "meaningful vote" on his deal, especially given you are so eager to see Brexit happen based on winning a vote, or is that just when it suits?

The reason for this is very simple for anybody with a mind of there own.  The minority right wing government is still trying to twist and turn to enable a no deal exit on the 31st.  As soon as Boris and his lackies stop pissing around trying to get us to crash out without a deal, the whole house can get on and try to sort out the deal.

Only one side to blame and that's the Tories for trying to push there minority agenda through the house without due scrutiny.  

Still, you carry on blaming everyone but your Eton made man of the people.

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2 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

Are we happy with this deal then?

Just because it's the only one currently being offered doesnt mean it should be agreed surely?  If this deal is detrimental to workers rights for example, dont the MPs have a duty to dig deeper and maybe oppose it.

The problem here isnt the opposition, however any one of you might like to suggest it is.  The problem here is that the Tories and particularly Boris has deliberately left this until the last minute to try and rush through his agenda without people getting the chance to properly scrutinise it.  

Whatever they say, we are not leaving on the 31st so presumably we will see Boris dead in a ditch somewhere.

The £ has gone up Geo because we arent leaving yet, simple.  Boris's mates will be after his blood now because his failure to deliver his promise to them of crashing out on the 31st will have cost them alot of money.  

Its unraveling and that's one parties fault.  TORY!  They devised it, failed to plan it and haven't delivered it - nobody else.

They don't offer agreements just like that, mays deal, now Boris's in 3-1/2 yrs... if Jeremy gets to no.10 what will/can he offer to the eu to get a better deal? and that's a serious question...

 as to tories failing to get the agreement though its too soon to claim that, but its the opposition and lesser parties who have and still are stopping it, that's what the public will remember come the election...

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15 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

For the same reason he didn’t allow another vote on May’s deal, which the likes of Rees Mogg thought was the correct ruling. 

And he was correct back then but there was a 50/50 chance this deal might have been approved saving yet another delay. Vote for them we go ahead with leaving at the end of the month, vote against the we have a general election as no deal will go through paras it stands now.

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25 minutes ago, Davebrad said:

They don't offer agreements just like that, mays deal, now Boris's in 3-1/2 yrs... if Jeremy gets to no.10 what will/can he offer to the eu to get a better deal? and that's a serious question...

 as to tories failing to get the agreement though its too soon to claim that, but its the opposition and lesser parties who have and still are stopping it, that's what the public will remember come the election...

Wrong.

The Tories have not presented a deal which the opposition and lesser parties felt able to back.  Not backing the Tory deal is not the same as not backing a deal.  The Tories made red lines of issues which seriously impaired there ability to strike a deal similar to Norway for example, which is what Boz and Nige were banging on about during the big bad bus campaign of Romanian terror.

As for what the voters remember, let's see but I dont think you are right because everyone I have spoken to personally puts the blame squarely at the door of the Eton Mess and his mates.

The better deal is the one we already have, it's better than any deal of the other 27.  The deal promised during the leave campaign was not possible with hindsight, anybody not fully signed up to cult Brexit can see that.   The only way forward now is to put it back to the public but this time with actuals and not what we might get.  If the public vote for Boris's deal then do it.  If not, stay in and revisit it in a few years.

Even football has accepted that decisions can be wrong and need reviewing as fact, yet cult brexiteers wont accept that nobody voted for this and it needs reviewing.  It's clearly not going to be resolved in Parliment so why are brexiteers so scared of a referendum re-run with more facts now known.  Surely it's not just because they dont want to be seen to be backing a lame horse?

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37 minutes ago, Davebrad said:

They don't offer agreements just like that, mays deal, now Boris's in 3-1/2 yrs... if Jeremy gets to no.10 what will/can he offer to the eu to get a better deal? and that's a serious question...

 as to tories failing to get the agreement though its too soon to claim that, but its the opposition and lesser parties who have and still are stopping it, that's what the public will remember come the election...

Also, perhaps had Mega Boz not removed the whip from so many just because they knew what he was up to, they might well have had enough to get it through.

Which ever way its twisted, or portrayed, Boris is the problem and I think most people with the ability to see beyond tabloid <ovf censored>, know that.

We have a PM that has lied, cheated and flouted rules.  Nobody trusts him.  He wont win a single vote unless he tables a motion to remove himself.

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46 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

And he was correct back then but there was a 50/50 chance this deal might have been approved saving yet another delay. Vote for them we go ahead with leaving at the end of the month, vote against the we have a general election as no deal will go through paras it stands now.

More important to get things right, there is no great rush, Dec 2020 or even 2022 are the end dates, unless the country comes to its senses.

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1 hour ago, Nofinikea said:

Pathetic drivel at best.

MPs voted on Saturday to debate and vote on the withdrawal agreement before they decide on Boris's deal.  Why on earth would it be proper to then disregard that vote and push on with the "meaningful vote" on his deal, especially given you are so eager to see Brexit happen based on winning a vote, or is that just when it suits?

The reason for this is very simple for anybody with a mind of there own.  The minority right wing government is still trying to twist and turn to enable a no deal exit on the 31st.  As soon as Boris and his lackies stop pissing around trying to get us to crash out without a deal, the whole house can get on and try to sort out the deal.

Only one side to blame and that's the Tories for trying to push there minority agenda through the house without due scrutiny.  

Still, you carry on blaming ev7eryone but your Eton made man of the people.

Please keep up.

You may have missed it but Boris No-Deal has actually done the opposite and agreed a deal with the EU.He may be losing out in parliament to the Remainer MP's but the longer this goes on,Bojo's popularity will increase.

The only ones who will be crashing out are the MP's who betrayed their constituents.

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