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Just now, For Us All said:

Well,I can't  see them funding the courts to thwart Brexit?

But you can see them funding the campaign to bring it about??

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1 hour ago, Jacko51 said:

Can I ask the leavers on here if they preferred May's deal or Johnson's?

It doesn't seem to matter what we think anymore,that finished in 2016.

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37 minutes ago, For Us All said:

It doesn't seem to matter what we think anymore,that finished in 2016.

Surely can’t complain when you don’t even know what you want yourself. 

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1 hour ago, For Us All said:

Well,I can't  see them funding the courts to thwart Brexit?

As usual you just try and make smart arse comments rather than add anything to the debate.  I will treat you as the pathetic kid you come across as.

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On ‎19‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 12:31, Nofinikea said:

No.  I think a 2nd vote needs to have a minimum turnout to be valid first of all and then if the original vote is to be overturned then a certain remain majority must be achieved, say 60% for example?  So for arguments sake, if 60% of 80% of the electorate votes to reverse the decision then so be it, otherwise we carry on with the original result.

That means approximately 27M people would need to vote to reverse the decision,  approx 10M more than originally voted to leave.  To get those numbers a significant number of leavers would have to vote the other way 2nd time around.

Now why wouldnt any Brexit supporter accept that?

because we've already voted once on this subject... if we have a second referendum/peoples vote where will it end, Keep to the original result or a precedent will be set. ie if you lost just cause as much mither, and you will get another chance... as it is from now on watch how many proposals in parliament get taken to court...

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1 hour ago, For Us All said:

Any evidence of that?

What do you think the donors to the brexit campaign are?  Working class folk working on factory floors?  Pathetic.

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Just now, Davebrad said:

because we've already voted once on this subject... if we have a second referendum/peoples vote where will it end, Keep to the original result or a precedent will be set. ie if you lost just cause as much mither, and you will get another chance... as it is from now on watch how many proposals in parliament get taken to court...

So even with the odds stacked hugely in favour of leave, you run scared of a second vote and hide behind democracy...  

Its exhausting trying to explain that democracy is also the ability to change your mind like we do every general election that is called.  It's as if folk are just brain washed.

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Also, there would have been no need for the courts to get involved had a minority government not been trying to circumvent parliament to push through there own agenda.

Dont blame the opposition, blame the behaviour of Boris and his idiot cronies and that goes right back to his leave campaign when they all blistered on about something they had no idea how to deliver.

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2 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

So even with the odds stacked hugely in favour of leave, you run scared of a second vote and hide behind democracy...  

Its exhausting trying to explain that democracy is also the ability to change your mind like we do every general election that is called.  It's as if folk are just brain washed.

the only thing i'm scared about, is we have not implemented the result of the legitimate vote, we have the ability to change our minds that's a democracy as you say in a general election but we can't get a election

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19 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

Also, there would have been no need for the courts to get involved had a minority government not been trying to circumvent parliament to push through there own agenda.

Dont blame the opposition, blame the behaviour of Boris and his idiot cronies and that goes right back to his leave campaign when they all blistered on about something they had no idea how to deliver.

neither side knew what it would mean, but all parliament apart from 80 or so voted for article 50... that's when the mither started.

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17 minutes ago, Davebrad said:

the only thing i'm scared about, is we have not implemented the result of the legitimate vote, we have the ability to change our minds that's a democracy as you say in a general election but we can't get a election

Cameron introduced the 5 year system to retain power not thinking it could be used to defer elections of the Government`s choosing.

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6 minutes ago, Davebrad said:

neither side knew what it would mean, but all parliament apart from 80 or so voted for article 50... that's when the mither started.

Parliament  should have decided what Brexit meant and what deal was acceptable before article 50 was voted on, also the country should have been told then that there could be a point where Brexit was not practical for various reasons and would be revoked. This would have put the emphasis on what Brexit entailed and not a blind exit.

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58 minutes ago, Davebrad said:

neither side knew what it would mean

Surely those who voted for, and campaigned to leave should have had an idea. 

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1 hour ago, Nofinikea said:

As usual you just try and make smart arse comments rather than add anything to the debate.  I will treat you as the pathetic kid you come across as.

Looks like we have something in common then but at least I'm smart.

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1 hour ago, Fosse69 said:

Cameron introduced the 5 year system to retain power not thinking it could be used to defer elections of the Government`s choosing.

Politicians eh.

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1 hour ago, Nofinikea said:

Also, there would have been no need for the courts to get involved had a minority government not been trying to circumvent parliament to push through there own agenda.

Dont blame the opposition, blame the behaviour of Boris and his idiot cronies and that goes right back to his leave campaign when they all blistered on about something they had no idea how to deliver.

They were probably too busy promoting a No-Deal Brexit to help their hedge funding mates?

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53 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

Parliament  should have decided what Brexit meant and what deal was acceptable before article 50 was voted on, also the country should have been told then that there could be a point where Brexit was not practical for various reasons and would be revoked. This would have put the emphasis on what Brexit entailed and not a blind exit.

Parliament should have known what brexit entailed, found out the costs and consequences of enacting article 50, foreseen the problems with honouring the result before they did...... but brexit was a headline grabber and a vote catcher.

They shouldn't have asked the question.

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