Brexit again...

[Heatwave]

The situation seems to be this....

 

Remainers don't want brexit to go forward.

Brexiteers don't want it to go backwards.

Politicians are to scared to go either way.

Media outlets are making the most of it.

Everything and everyone seems to be blaming brexit for everything.

The largest political representation for the UK in the EU wants to leave.

The EU doesn't give a rats ass because it's got nothing to lose.

Changing leaders won't change much else.

Changing parties won't change much else.

 

Someone has to make a decision and make it happen...... whatever it is.

 

I don't care which way the lemmings jump.... the indecision and inaction is costing more than the UK can afford to pay on many fronts

 

Fromage frais. 😊

 

It's really quite simple - the only way to retain the trade benefits we enjoy now is to remain. You don't leave a club and expect to keep the same benefits, no matter what Boris Johnson says. And don't expect a Brexit dividend by keeping our subs because Boris wants to give them away in higher rate tax cuts.

[Fosse69]

Clear cut decision for parliament, no-deal or referendum

[geosname]

Clear cut decision for parliament, no-deal or referendum

 

Not quite mate...... no deal or remain.... simple as that.... a referendum doesn't solve anything.... just puts fuel on the fire.

[Davebrad]

And in current Brexshit news Brexit MEP proves he knows **** all about **** all.

Let’s all vote for the thick numpties shall we?

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-party-mep-martin-daubney-northern-ireland-border-interview-european-elections-results/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

don't be too hard on him hes only joining a profession that know **** all about **** all, apart of only how to speak drivel, for long times...

[Fosse69]

Not quite mate...... no deal or remain.... simple as that.... a referendum doesn't solve anything.... just puts fuel on the fire.

 

There is no avoiding the fire, a referendum avoids parliament making the decision to remain, with guts they would decide to remain as the alternative to no-deal and a US take over. There is enough wealth in the UK to invest in the poorer areas to dampen down the fire.

[Regal Beagle]

And in current Brexshit news Brexit MEP proves he knows **** all about **** all.

Let’s all vote for the thick numpties shall we?

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-party-mep-martin-daubney-northern-ireland-border-interview-european-elections-results/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

Agree entiely John! MEP's are useless. We'd better leave quick before they can do any more damage.

[Regal Beagle]

There is no avoiding the fire, a referendum avoids parliament making the decision to remain, with guts they would decide to remain as the alternative to no-deal and a US take over. There is enough wealth in the UK to invest in the poorer areas to dampen down the fire.

 

A tyrannical abuse of power and betreyal of the people you govern is not guts.

 

Guts would be to pull the trigger. Give the people what they want despite the possible consequences to your political party.

[geosname]

There is no avoiding the fire, a referendum avoids parliament making the decision to remain, with guts they would decide to remain as the alternative to no-deal and a US take over. There is enough wealth in the UK to invest in the poorer areas to dampen down the fire.

 

Then we stay on the roundabout mate.

[Howjy04]

don't be too hard on him hes only joining a profession that know **** all about **** all, apart of only how to speak drivel, for long times...

 

Doesn’t look too good on those he beat don’t you think Dave?

[TheSage]

And in current Brexshit news Brexit MEP proves he knows **** all about **** all.

Let’s all vote for the thick numpties shall we?

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-party-mep-martin-daubney-northern-ireland-border-interview-european-elections-results/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

And there, in a nutshell, is just one reason why this silly No Deal nonsense should be put to bed.

Most of the people who persuaded voters to leave hadn't got the foggiest idea of the dangers and complexities of the process and hadn't got a sensible plan to deliver it.

That's why we are in this mess now.

They sold people a pack of lies and an unrealistic dream that cannot be delivered without damaging consequences. Yet no-one mentioned this (conveniently) at the time. It was all plain sailing and more money for this, that and the other. A quick and easy process.

 

Turned out well hasn't it?

[geosname]

And there, in a nutshell, is just one reason why this silly No Deal nonsense should be put to bed.

Most of the people who persuaded voters to leave hadn't got the foggiest idea of the dangers and complexities of the process and hadn't got a sensible plan to deliver it.

That's why we are in this mess now.

They sold people a pack of lies and an unrealistic dream that cannot be delivered without damaging consequences. Yet no-one mentioned this (conveniently) at the time. It was all plain sailing and more money for this, that and the other. A quick and easy process.

 

Turned out well hasn't it?

 

When the Tories get kicked out let's assume Labour win, not sure it will be that straightforward, what then?

Jezza renegotiates, which is what I think he would like to do, and puts it back to the people, which is what the party want to do, will he go for a fixed number? 60% or over?... what happens if/when he doesn't get it?.... does he keep going around in circles like the Tories?... does he make deals with the SNP / lib dems? At what cost?

[Davebrad]

And there, in a nutshell, is just one reason why this silly No Deal nonsense should be put to bed.

Most of the people who persuaded voters to leave hadn't got the foggiest idea of the dangers and complexities of the process and hadn't got a sensible plan to deliver it.

That's why we are in this mess now.

They sold people a pack of lies and an unrealistic dream that cannot be delivered without damaging consequences. Yet no-one mentioned this (conveniently) at the time. It was all plain sailing and more money for this, that and the other. A quick and easy process.

 

Turned out well hasn't it?

 

as you say no one thought, if cammeron had held the cabinet instead of letting them canvas for whatever, given the people details, it may well of been a remain vote but they wanted the people more involved, and they got their wish... more people decided to turnout and vote to leave, than those who wanted to remain.

If a cross party team had then been set up and had gone to the eu with firm proposals it all may have been different, and the government could have got on with other matters, but we dithered about, showed the eu how we were divided parliament looked for political gains and yet the vote for article 50 was 498 to 114 for it.

After the referendum the people trusted parliament to deliver, that's their job, but as I've said politic's got in the way...

[TheSage]

The only sensible way out has to be a compromise but they of course please no-one and as time has gone on everyone has become more polarised in their views, egged on by extremists on both sides. I get the impression that more and more people are apathetic towards it all now and just want to get back to "normality". But since no compromise as yet is on the table, save for May's deal, we are heading for even choppier waters as it's becoming a "winner takes all" race and in the Tory Party at least beginning to look like who can match Farage.

 

What is it now? 3 years. And still no sign of anything that can bring the country together.

 

I tend to agree in that it should have been a cross party thing and experienced politicians who have got the tee shirt should have been invited to input their twopennyworth. Leavers might not like people like Clark, to pluck a name out of the air, but his ilk do have the experience and wisdom to offer something whereas a lot of these johnny come lately people speak before they engage their brains, as evidenced by the way Steven Nolan has taken apart 2-3 of them when discussing the Irish border.

[geosname]

The only sensible way out has to be a compromise but they of course please no-one and as time has gone on everyone has become more polarised in their views, egged on by extremists on both sides. I get the impression that more and more people are apathetic towards it all now and just want to get back to "normality". But since no compromise as yet is on the table, save for May's deal, we are heading for even choppier waters as it's becoming a "winner takes all" race and in the Tory Party at least beginning to look like who can match Farage.

 

What is it now? 3 years. And still no sign of anything that can bring the country together.

 

I tend to agree in that it should have been a cross party thing and experienced politicians who have got the tee shirt should have been invited to input their twopennyworth. Leavers might not like people like Clark, to pluck a name out of the air, but his ilk do have the experience and wisdom to offer something whereas a lot of these johnny come lately people speak before they engage their brains, as evidenced by the way Steven Nolan has taken apart 2-3 of them when discussing the Irish border.

 

There is no middle ground to compromise on mate...... it's just leave or stay..... the middle ground is just a void.

There are numerous things we could/should have done but didn't...... we are left with polar opposite positions with nothing inbetween.

It will take someone with huge testicular fortitude to make the choice, one way or the other, and go with it...... I don't see anyone on the horizon.

[Paul6754]

And there, in a nutshell, is just one reason why this silly No Deal nonsense should be put to bed.

Most of the people who persuaded voters to leave hadn't got the foggiest idea of the dangers and complexities of the process and hadn't got a sensible plan to deliver it.

That's why we are in this mess now.

They sold people a pack of lies and an unrealistic dream that cannot be delivered without damaging consequences. Yet no-one mentioned this (conveniently) at the time. It was all plain sailing and more money for this, that and the other. A quick and easy process.

 

Turned out well hasn't it?

 

If Brexit was the will of the majority of people charged with running the country and the best way forward it would already have happened.

 

The UK needs a Churchillian leader to stand up and stop this nonsense instead we have a darling idiot of the Brexiteers who's talking and listening to Trump about the way forward for the NHS, it's becoming tragic.