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3 hours ago, VantaaVale said:

But that is not Fosse's point. The issue that a lot have with the 2016 referendum is that many based their opinions on lies. At best it could be argued that those campaigning were guessing. Now we have had 3 years to examine what the reality would be.

Of course, some will never change their minds no matter what facts are placed before them. But let's at least get some facts in front of people first and give them a chance of making a reasoned decision. And by this I don't just mean convert leavers to remainers.

We've had 3 years of remainer lies since 2016.

There's absolutely no way on this earth remainers will accept a second referendum going against them.

 

There's absolutely no way they should be allowed to scrap the first one if they "win" a second referendum either.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

It was ill-planned, countries that use referendums usually have 2, the first is this worth looking into? The 2nd Referendum explains what it would entail so that an informed decision can be made. 

So why are the lib dems campaigning to scrap brexit without a second vote and labour are promising to scuttle brexit with their magical deal that they will vote against anyway?

This is a remainer lie Fosse. They don't care about due process or democracy. They care about remaining at whatever cost.

3 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

I would hope that the situation would be explained that it was final for say 10 years, and perhaps a 60% threshold  put on the result to give a more emphatic result.

A 60% threshold to overturn the brexit vote you mean?

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10 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

So why are the lib dems campaigning to scrap brexit without a second vote and labour are promising to scuttle brexit with their magical deal that they will vote against anyway?

This is a remainer lie Fosse. They don't care about due process or democracy. They care about remaining at whatever cost.

A 60% threshold to overturn the brexit vote you mean?

A confirmation referendum confirms what the people want, it can go either way when then know what is at stake. What the threshold will be I do not know, but 6o% is a more convincing result., 66% is better.

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3 hours ago, Davebrad said:

but what if we aren't worse off, nobody knows,

That is exactly the point - nobody bloody knows so why do it???

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6 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

But not to prevent parliamentary scrutiny of a national project, in the past it was usually for party advantage  by majority governments. Pretty emphatic decision by the Supreme Court 11-0.

All bills fail when parliament is dissolved,  a huge percentage of bills are national projects.

Did the court rule it only applied to minority governments?

The dissolution of parliament can now be challenged in court.

Are you suggesting it's ok for party advantage?..... I'm not sure that's what the court said

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If the people were told the facts of leaving or remaining it wouldnt help. 

Vote remain........ because we might be worse off if we leave..... we don't know

Vote leave......... because we might be better off if we do....... we don't know

.the rest is just guess work, projection, forecast, possibility

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Closing Parliament occurs on a majority vote by all MPs, not on the wishes of the PM alone.

The Court decision was unequivocal. Johnson misled the Queen and was trying to shut down debate. That's clearly unlawful and unconstitutional and he should resign. When has a PM ever been called to task like this before? Never. 

 

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4 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

I would hope that the situation would be explained that it was final for say 10 years, and perhaps a 60% threshold  put on the result to give a more emphatic result.

One decision has been democratically made...... if the second referendum doesn't reach the threshold what's the faĺback position?

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5 minutes ago, TheSage said:

Closing Parliament occurs on a majority vote by all MPs, not on the wishes of the PM alone.

 

 

From what I think I understand..... the court did not question his right to prorouge just his motives..... ie his motives were unlawful his right to prorouge was not

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1 hour ago, Fosse69 said:

A confirmation referendum confirms what the people want, it can go either way when then know what is at stake. What the threshold will be I do not know, but 6o% is a more convincing result., 66% is better.

If there is a confirmation referendum it has to be on the same question, a simple leave or remain.

If anything is added it becomes a new referendum .... a different question.... ie Labour's proposition to have a referendum on a negotiated deal or leave is fundimentally different than the original question and is not a confirmation of the original.

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Summer 25 July 2019 3 Sept 2019
Easter 11 April 2019 23 April 2019
May 2 May 2019 7 May 2019
Whitsun 23 May 2019 4 June 2019

 

If there was/is such a national crisis shouldn't these parliamentery recesses have been cancelled?...... or at least one of them?..... or a one line bill and vote?

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6 hours ago, Davebrad said:

Half time... they could be, if the members are stifled by club rules...it must be hard keeping 27 countries in tune.

Obviously easier than in Westminster 🤣

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8 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

We've had 3 years of remainer lies since 2016.

There's absolutely no way on this earth remainers will accept a second referendum going against them.

 

There's absolutely no way they should be allowed to scrap the first one if they "win" a second referendum either.

 

 

Lol you keep banging on about lies whilst your own Brexit hero lied to the Queen.

Heads up your arse mate, give it up.

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Anyway enough of RB who over the last few days has made himself look deranged.

Couldn't Boris appeal to the european courts? Oh wait...  hahahahahaha

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1 hour ago, Nofinikea said:

Anyway enough of RB who over the last few days has made himself look deranged.

Couldn't Boris appeal to the european courts? Oh wait...  hahahahahaha

Would be interesting if he could.

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Adam Boulton “ Would you push for Remain in the event of a GE”.

Dianne Abbott “ My constituents know I want to remain “

Adam Boulton “And if the one off conference decides differently?”

DA” Oh well,we will have to  take a view”

Love people with conviction.******* dunce.

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11 hours ago, geosname said:

All bills fail when parliament is dissolved,  a huge percentage of bills are national projects.

Did the court rule it only applied to minority governments?

The dissolution of parliament can now be challenged in court.

Are you suggesting it's ok for party advantage?..... I'm not sure that's what the court said

The court ruled on the case in front of them, any action against the function of parliament can be challenged. The court was not looking at previous cases with different circumstances. There will always be disputes whilst the PM retains powers previous held by a royal, when parliament is sovereign. The PMs power should result from retaining the confidence of the house. This clown has none.

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