Brexit again...

[Fosse69]

Referendum are not common but they have occurred and used.... ie voting in and Scots Indy referendum..... we don't have 2 parties with different opinions we have 30 million people with different opinions...... the only opinion the politicos have is how to save face and their position.

You seem convinced a 2nd referendum would bring matters to a close..... I doubt it would even if remain were to win..... I'm not convinced they would.

The lid is off this jar of worms mate...... the politicians can't get them back in now without a backlash of sizeable proportions...... I doubt Labour will come down on either side until after the EU elections and I doubt it matters which side the Tories fall.

The question should not have been asked but it was...... the referendum should not have happened but it did..... the promises should not have been made but they were.... article 50 should not have been triggered but it was..... all these, and more, worms are loose..... I can't see any way to simply forget them or any party saying.... "you voted the wrong way we have decided the right way, you were wrong because we say so" ....... political suicide?...... death of democracy?..... who knows?

 

Then there is the frightening possibility that another referendum would produce the same result.... leave.... then what?

 

Hard to see a way out, there is no short answer. Trade negotiations could take 10 years, as could any fall out from a reversal. Fixed term parliaments are another hazard to a quick resolution.

As for another referendum, most likely a face saver for politicians, with the result uncertain. Different people voting, but how will the new voters turn out? Either way lots unhappy.

[Davebrad]

The biggest con of the lot, how can a referendum not be binding but will be implemented irrespective of the result. If you want it binding you make it mandatory, however it would than need a threshold as the Scottish referendum have. It would also be legal and spending would be more strictly controlled and subject to justice. The shock if any to the EU would have been the lack of a threshold.

 

The simple answer to the question as to whether the EU referendum is legally binding is “no”. In theory, in the event of a vote to leave the EU, David Cameron, who opposes Brexit, could decide to ignore the will of the people and put the question to MPs banking on a majority deciding to remain.

 

This is because parliament is sovereign and referendums are generally not binding in the UK.

 

The wrangling reflects the fact that there is no binding legal process to force Cameron to invoke article 50. In theory, he could ignore the public and disregard a Brexit vote. In practice he has repeatedly promised that the result will stick...

[jjvale_03]

Brexit means Brexit lads

[Fosse69]

Brexit means Brexit lads

 

Please define

[JohnJames]

Please define

 

Brexit is ********

[For Us All]

17.5 million people? What about the other 43million who risk losing a lot because of clowns like Farage. No other country trades on just WTO terms as it’s a stupid thing to do. Farage is a liar and funded by Americans

 

A politician lying,never?

[geosname]

Brexit is ********

 

It's simply leaving the EU..... the terms are a different matter.....

[Fosse69]

An apple is an apple, do you eat it or cook it?

[JohnJames]

A politician lying,never?

 

Farage is just a ****

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9049369/nigel-farage-fled-driver-crashed-13-month-old-toddler/

[Fosse69]

The simple answer to the question as to whether the EU referendum is legally binding is “no”. In theory, in the event of a vote to leave the EU, David Cameron, who opposes Brexit, could decide to ignore the will of the people and put the question to MPs banking on a majority deciding to remain.

 

This is because parliament is sovereign and referendums are generally not binding in the UK.

 

The wrangling reflects the fact that there is no binding legal process to force Cameron to invoke article 50. In theory, he could ignore the public and disregard a Brexit vote. In practice he has repeatedly promised that the result will stick...

Considering the options is not ignoring the will of the people, parliament`s duty is to act on behalf of the electorate using their access to specialist knowledge. Is not 2 years sufficient time to make a decision that remain is better.

[Seth Bottomley]

Please define

 

When we voted David Cameron said its a once in a lifetime vote, and a vote to leave would mean no common market no customs union. Leave means Leave, all the leave voters know what they were voting for, its just remoaners are trying make out they didnt and are some how superior.

[Regal Beagle]

Why is immigration the greatest concern for the over 65s? It should be because restricting it would seriously restrict the numbers of people wanting to work at hospitals and care homes, which if they don't need at the moment they will in time.

 

Cutting off your nose to spite your face comes to mind.

 

Can we please stop this lie that immigrants = nurses and doctors.

 

It's the other side of the coin to people who say immigrants = criminals.

 

A sensible immigration policy would stop criminals coming to this country and allow workers to come who are filling gaps in employment. We can decide who we want and who we don't want.

 

It's as if half of the NHS is getting booted out when we leave

[Regal Beagle]

Probably involved producing written evidence to prove something that is bleeding obvious.

 

Wow what a criticism that is, really got me there. You are right though, I do think EVIDENCE is important. It's a good job that if things are so bleeding obvious then it must be really really easy to find a wealth of amazing evidence. That's why it's so surprising to me that remainers tell us something is so obvious but then cannot provide any evidence.

 

But to answer your question...

 

He invents racism in order to try and shut down people he disagrees with.

 

As with the left currently though, it didn't take long for him to actually do exactly what he had been wrongly accusing me of doing. (He denied the level of racism in the labour party).

 

There is written evidence, it's his post which is quoted in black and white a few pages.

 

I'm not calling him racist just to be clear, I use the dictionary definition of racism rather than my own invented broadened and vague definition. I simply pointed out that by his own definition of racism, he is a racist.

[geosname]

An apple is an apple, do you eat it or cook it?

 

Here is a cider apple, we make cider with it........ do you eat it or cook it?..... well it's actually in the description..... we make cider with it.

 

Brexit is leaving the EU.... Britain exiting the EU...... that's what the idiot politicians offered who supported leave said..... that's what the idiot politicians fought against from the remain side...... both sides agreed it was about Britain exiting the EU.

 

We now have various arguments from both sides it's not about leaving at all.....

 

Now it's all about the deal we leave with.... or without. It's also about not leaving or about becoming an associate member of the EU with customs union or such.

 

What it's actually about for the people who voted hasn't changed.... on either side.

What it's about for politicians is not alienating a huge number of voters and keeping their jobs..... trying to regain the trust of their core supporters and attract new ones from the other side of the divide.....

From the Labour side it's called fence sitting until someone kicks you off, one side or the other.

From the Tory side it's called being screwed and blame the leader.

From the minor parties it's called trying to be relevant.... good luck with that.

From the public's view it's about leaving the EU..... or not.... either get it done or cancel it... stop playing politics in the recesses of the house... get off the fence.... get off your arse.... do something.

 

Whatever you do you know you will have half the voters against you..... so pick one and do it..... whichever one politically carries the same consequences.

[JohnJames]

There is a massive shortage of Nurses ,about 40000 because the Tories want student nurses to pay for working and there has been a large exodus of EU Nurses and Doctors.

As fot immigration there is an EU wide law that any EU citizen who doesn’t make a positive contribution to the country that have moved to can be deported. The UK rarely invokes this rule.

We also have a points based immigration system.