Brexit again...

[Paul6754]

Compared to the 50/60's the UK manufactures much less and it's manufacturing base is much smaller, it's not a case of simply ramping production back up. Also there are China, India and Brazil to contend with and compete against in terms of manufacturing and costs, the 21st century is a whole different ball game.

[Fosse69]

Well yes if we're strong enough to resist, providing the mobile company is innocent, but until the present idiot goes nothing can be safe... but when we are free to trade with anyone, it will be up to ourselves, we've done it before, and when he see's the trump balloon we wont be his fravourite flavour...

 

I don't think you are seeing the big picture, the US will be in control, Trump is only the TV figure. As for mobiles we could buy from Nokia or Ericsson who buy their kit from China also, the cheapest and becoming the more advanced. Our days of manufacturing have long gone.

[Davebrad]

I don't think you are seeing the big picture, the US will be in control, Trump is only the TV figure. As for mobiles we could buy from Nokia or Ericsson who buy their kit from China also, the cheapest and becoming the more advanced. Our days of manufacturing have long gone.

We.ve still got things to offer to the world tech wise. And the Eu want our trade so why not the rest of the world...

If we are going to be negative we will never progress

ITS up to the idiots in parliament to stop thinking they are better than sliced bread and get dealing instead of putting party politics first. And making a name for themselves. But come the next election a lot of them will get a wake up call...

[TheSage]

Compared to the 50/60's the UK manufactures much less and it's manufacturing base is much smaller, it's not a case of simply ramping production back up. Also there are China, India and Brazil to contend with and compete against in terms of manufacturing and costs, the 21st century is a whole different ball game.

 

I strongly suspect as I said before that in 2010 we very badly need to be in an influential trading block to give us leverage. All successful countries are. No one trades on WTO terms alone. It sounds seductive but the world has moved on and we need the strength and power of belonging to the world's most successful free trading block. Things have developed since the sixties. A small fish in a big pond full of sharks like Russia, China, the USA and India is not a sensible proposition.

If it was so much better and easier and would make more money why are the EU27 other countries not doing that?

 

We had the claim that we can be like Singapore. No we can't and we would not want to be.

And then we had Fox telling us how easy it would be to sign deals. He said he'd do at least 40 by the end of March. 9 I think is the latest count because (a) it takes ages and ages to sort out the documentation and bureaucracy and (b) we are not very important on our own, compared to the EU's 450 million customers.

That was why the Japanese signed an EU trade deal (and Singapore too) while we have struggled to do anything, and why the Japanese PM wanted us to stay in the single market so that Japanese firms can get open access.

 

We now live in a global, interdependent world and to go it alone and not belong to a powerful trading block would be economic madness, a leap into the unknown that we don't need to make or risk after 50 years of economic success in the EU. Why change something that has worked so well?

[Fosse69]

We.ve still got things to offer to the world tech wise. And the Eu want our trade so why not the rest of the world...

If we are going to be negative we will never progress

ITS up to the idiots in parliament to stop thinking they are better than sliced bread and get dealing instead of putting party politics first. And making a name for themselves. But come the next election a lot of them will get a wake up call...

 

The world has always had the chance of what little we make in competition with other suppliers, nothing will change. The EU will judge us on merit, no free trading. Being practical is not being negative.

[Davebrad]

As you say being practical is not being negative but being practical is not being positive either...you.ve got to speculate to accumulate...

[Fosse69]

As you say being practical is not being negative but being practical is not being positive either...you.ve got to speculate to accumulate...

 

Only by speculating practically do you accumulate, otherwise you end up with a negative outcome.

[Davebrad]

But dose.nt a negative outcome makes you try harder to get a positive one... ie that little old ant...

[Fosse69]

But dose.nt a negative outcome makes you try harder to get a positive one... ie that little old ant...

 

No point in changing a system that has been working successfully for 40 odd years.

[Davebrad]

Not that successfully though...wine lakes. Butter mountains... most things change although successfull that's progress.

[Fosse69]

Not that successfully though...wine lakes. Butter mountains... most things change although successfull that's progress.

All you can come up with to justify the time wasted with Brexit, nothing positive after 3 years?

[Davebrad]

It has been 3yrs wasted. Because a Leave vote was never expected. And nothing was in place to give brexit we ought to have been in Brussels the following Monday with a list of what we wanted and no deal as a default...

But we if and rd here in parliament. then we did the same over there. then Labour voted against everything. Snp went on about Scottish independence.the dup stood fast over a border. Then partisan groups formed. But when artical 50 was triggered it was by a massive vote... this is why it was wasted. The eu was scared it could grow so would not bargain. Our biggest mistake to vote out a no deal cause that was our ace card...

[Fosse69]

It has been 3yrs wasted. Because a Leave vote was never expected. And nothing was in place to give brexit we ought to have been in Brussels the following Monday with a list of what we wanted and no deal as a default...

But we if and rd here in parliament. then we did the same over there. then Labour voted against everything. Snp went on about Scottish independence.the dup stood fast over a border. Then partisan groups formed. But when artical 50 was triggered it was by a massive vote... this is why it was wasted. The eu was scared it could grow so would not bargain. Our biggest mistake to vote out a no deal cause that was our ace card...

It was not a mandatory referendum, it was up to parliament to assess the situation and make a decision whether to stay or take the best deal available. Article 50 is the negotiating process, it should not have been triggered without a plan, the choice is still there to stay or leave. No deal is not an option. If parliament cant make their mind up, let the people do it.

[Davebrad]

Did not Cameron say the referendum would be honoured... I believe in democracy the result is the result...if we have another one and it's to remain. Then the leavers will try for another vote and so it goes on... I along with17.5 million did our part then left it to our representatives to deliver on the result. Because they can.t why should we do it again?

[geosname]

Did not Cameron say the referendum would be honoured... I believe in democracy the result is the result...if we have another one and it's to remain. Then the leavers will try for another vote and so it goes on... I along with17.5 million did our part then left it to our representatives to deliver on the result. Because they can.t why should we do it again?

 

Labour and the Tories said they would honour the result...... both failed.

Now it's a case of change policy to try to grab votes and hope..... same old political rhetoric in the hope people won't notice and blame the other lot.

Tories won't want a general election..... Labour are desperate for one.

Just imagine the chaos with a government who wants to remain..... of either persuasion.... and European representatives who want to leave...... that should be interesting.

Then there is the possibility of a brexit party standing in the general election......

The Tories don't have much fight in them so spliting the fight between Labour and a brexit party would see them fall.

Labour would split..... some fighting the old enemy some fighting the new.... policies to try to win the leave voters and policies to try to keep the remainers...... that should be interesting..... I doubt jezza could get a no confidence vote through the house with the threat posed by a brexit party to sitting Mps.

All scrambling around trying to keep their own jobs and positions and grabing what they can...... I wonder how many more rats would desert the sinking ships.

17.5 million votes are not to be sniffed at....... after the betrayal of both major parties I wonder what crap they will feed the public to win them back..... to try to make them believe again.