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There seem to be a few on here who don't know what the Irish Backstop is or what it's for, so I thought I'd add my own reading of the situation.

 

First of all, under the Brexit process there would be two agreements. The goal of both is a trade deal between the UK and EU, but the first of these is a time limited transitional arrangement between leaving the EU and agreeing a trade deal. It's in this deal that the so called backstop is to be found - a contingency arrangement in case the trade deal doesn't become agreed by the time the transitional arrangement expires. Therefore it might not be used at all if the trade deal is agreed before the transitional arrangement expires.

 

What the backstop says is that in the event of no trade deal by the expiry date Northern Ireland remains part of the EU single market and as a result customs arrangements would need to be set up between NI and the rest of the UK. That's actually not such a big deal as this already happens for certain agricultural goods within the single market. Also, NI has its own legal system and different laws from the rest of the UK, as does Scotland, so it's not as if it's a completely new thing.

 

In my opinion the backstop is just being used as an excuse by right wing politicians who don't want any transitional arrangement at all, going into trading with the EU on World Trade Organisation rules with its attendant tariffs. Under WTO rules you may choose not to have tariffs at all, but this would then apply to all trading partners with the UK, not just the EU, and we could end up much worse off with certain countries dumping goods in our market, undercutting home producers. We've already seen this with China dumping steel in Europe and the US meaning action had to be taken by both the EU and US to stop it happening.

 

Sorry for the rambling explanation but reading certain posts there seem to be misconceptions on what the backstop is and what it's for. The upshot is that it may not be needed and probably won't be.

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I could be wrong but I thought the N2O levels were high because the financial institutions, banks, in collusion with the government were releasing N2O into confined spaces, e.g. shareholder meetings, press conferences etc when the released the inevitable news that the money had gone, pension pots had been decimated etc..... to put a smile on everyone's face when they asked for a few more billion £ so they could continue in the lifestyle they had corruptly become accustomed to...? They say a little laughing gas eases the nerves..... used to work for dentists....

Like I say..... I could be wrong.[/quote

 

 

Ok I meant Nitrous dioxide,which is part of the Nitrous Oxide family.

 

Doesn’t change the fact that it’s killing people.

 

 

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I could be wrong but I thought the N2O levels were high because the financial institutions, banks, in collusion with the government were releasing N2O into confined spaces, e.g. shareholder meetings, press conferences etc when the released the inevitable news that the money had gone, pension pots had been decimated etc..... to put a smile on everyone's face when they asked for a few more billion £ so they could continue in the lifestyle they had corruptly become accustomed to...? They say a little laughing gas eases the nerves..... used to work for dentists....

Like I say..... I could be wrong.[/quote

 

 

Ok I meant Nitrous dioxide,which is part of the Nitrous Oxide family.

 

Doesn’t change the fact that it’s killing people.

 

 

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Just trying to add a little dark humour mate.... your point is a good one

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There seem to be a few on here who don't know what the Irish Backstop is or what it's for, so I thought I'd add my own reading of the situation.

 

First of all, under the Brexit process there would be two agreements. The goal of both is a trade deal between the UK and EU, but the first of these is a time limited transitional arrangement between leaving the EU and agreeing a trade deal. It's in this deal that the so called backstop is to be found - a contingency arrangement in case the trade deal doesn't become agreed by the time the transitional arrangement expires. Therefore it might not be used at all if the trade deal is agreed before the transitional arrangement expires.

 

What the backstop says is that in the event of no trade deal by the expiry date Northern Ireland remains part of the EU single market and as a result customs arrangements would need to be set up between NI and the rest of the UK. That's actually not such a big deal as this already happens for certain agricultural goods within the single market. Also, NI has its own legal system and different laws from the rest of the UK, as does Scotland, so it's not as if it's a completely new thing.

 

In my opinion the backstop is just being used as an excuse by right wing politicians who don't want any transitional arrangement at all, going into trading with the EU on World Trade Organisation rules with its attendant tariffs. Under WTO rules you may choose not to have tariffs at all, but this would then apply to all trading partners with the UK, not just the EU, and we could end up much worse off with certain countries dumping goods in our market, undercutting home producers. We've already seen this with China dumping steel in Europe and the US meaning action had to be taken by both the EU and US to stop it happening.

 

Sorry for the rambling explanation but reading certain posts there seem to be misconceptions on what the backstop is and what it's for. The upshot is that it may not be needed and probably won't be.

 

I think some see the backstop as a problem because it has no end date and could tie us into the EU forever.

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I think some see the backstop as a problem because it has no end date and could tie us into the EU forever.
We don't need to stay in the EU, but will have to agree a common trade/custom arrangement which may or may not be actually the same but will be called something else in order for Ireland and N.Ireland to be the same trade wise. Of course we would have little say in the future rules, but will be able to have blue passports which we thought we could not have. Completely pointless but we are where we are, and still digging.
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There seem to be a few on here who don't know what the Irish Backstop is or what it's for, so I thought I'd add my own reading of the situation.

 

First of all, under the Brexit process there would be two agreements. The goal of both is a trade deal between the UK and EU, but the first of these is a time limited transitional arrangement between leaving the EU and agreeing a trade deal. It's in this deal that the so called backstop is to be found - a contingency arrangement in case the trade deal doesn't become agreed by the time the transitional arrangement expires. Therefore it might not be used at all if the trade deal is agreed before the transitional arrangement expires.

 

What the backstop says is that in the event of no trade deal by the expiry date Northern Ireland remains part of the EU single market and as a result customs arrangements would need to be set up between NI and the rest of the UK.

 

I thought the understanding was that Northern Irlenad and Scotland and Wales all leave as part and parcel of the democratic vote.

 

Otherwise if N Ireland stayed there would be arguments from Remain areas likle London and Scotland to break away from the rest of the UK

 

It has been mentioned as part of remainers scaremongering..amongst everything else they have conjured to stop the vote

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Doesn't seem to have done federalist America any harm.

 

How many people in America are suffering because they cannot afford healthcare? Being part of a superstate may mean that one day all member states vote to give up their free health to subsidise their members interests

 

You can see it coming. If you want to keep the NHS then get out of the EU forever

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Was not aware it was on the sideboard never mind May`s table. What the future brings who knows, I don't.

 

The second referendum would only happen if Parliament forced her hand. Otherwise we're locked into a slow speed, second rate trade arrangement with the EU which by the way currently accounts for 44% of British exports. Without EU membership I see that declining significantly, and without other markets (and I don't see this happening any time soon) we'll be considerably worse off.

 

Only way to save Britain - Remain. Latest opinion polls show a 56-44 majority for it; that's why the right wing want to see BrexitRef2 off the table.

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