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Davebrad

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There are 28 Member states in the EU...do you think we elect the other 27 member states MEP's?

 

The fact that we can elect our own makes little difference to the decisions the other 27 make..so your opinion that we have true democracy in the EU is frankly rubbish

The voting is decided on population size, we have about 10% of the votes, slightly less than France and Germany. Veto votes apply to very few items nowadays. No different than the UK parliament, just because the North and South vote differently does not affect democracy, if fact MEPs are elected by a more representative system.
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The crux is the Good Friday Agreement, the International Peace Treaty. Since at the time it was agreed, Ireland and N.Ireland were in the same custom and trading market, so like Germany and France today did not require border posts. Obviously nobody wants a return to those days, but trading under WTO rules with no restraints is not acceptable to Ireland or the EU without a border. The alternative is outside the EU but with the same custom and market rules, probably a smoke and mirrors system until we make our minds up on what we really want, hence the insurance policy or back stop. Without a deal there is no insurance and the Good Friday agreement is at risk, there is no Govt in NI, NI voted to stay, DUP did not and is propping a hung parliament up. Could you make it up to coin a phrase?

 

Barnyard says there doesn't need to be a hard border when UK leaves if there is no deal...... but suggests there does if there is a may deal.... either there does or there doesn't.

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Who is Barnyard ? There are many opinions

 

The puzzling thing is that the backstop was a time unlimeted position to avoid a hard border with a deal.... with no time limit it ties us to the EU indefinitely... the EU barnyard I think is saying with a NO DEAL there doesn't have to be a hard border at all.... if that's true why do you need to avoid a hard border with a deal because there is no need for one.... according to the EU.

So...... if there is a deal we need the backstop to avoid a hard border...

If there is no deal we don't need a backstop because there won't be a hard boarder...

Or..... if there is no worry about a hard border with no deal what's the worry about a hard border with a deal?

The areas concerned won't magically shift overnight.

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The UK government have gone about this all wrong

 

How about the British Government, N Ireland Assembly, Republic Government and Welsh and Scottish assembly working together for the first time in history to rid themselves of the EU dictatorship and work together as five nations in the British Union

 

It is the above that need to stick together and they can do that from Parliament

 

If Comrade Corbyn gets his way we will be governed by his Momentum chums and Nicola Sturgeon in a coalition.

Even though his labour constituents voted to leave in some areas he is ruling by fear to stop his MP,s backing Brexit for his political gain.

His plan to stay in the customs union which is not Brexit and still governed by the EU.

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Barnyard says there doesn't need to be a hard border when UK leaves if there is no deal...... but suggests there does if there is a may deal.... either there does or there doesn't.
I don't think anybody really knows, maybe can only be decided by specialist lawyers when WTO is in force and some 3rd country wants the same access as NI has to Ireland in the EU. With the current deal that cannot happen for at least 2 years. Should the risk of breaking the Good Friday Agreement be taken? With no deal the risk starts at the end of March.
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Terms of trade agreed with other members, just the same as terms of trade outside the EU. Nothing to do with sovereignty. Name a law not agreed by the council of ministers/ MEPs all democratically elected.

 

Don't know what relevance that has.

 

It's in black and white in my previous post, our law has to comply with their law and if it doesn't they have the ability to punish us.

 

That is not a trade agreement.

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Don't know what relevance that has.

 

It's in black and white in my previous post, our law has to comply with their law and if it doesn't they have the ability to punish us.

 

That is not a trade agreement.

You did not give an example of one of these laws.
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Meanwhile over the channel Macron is sticking his nose in again accusing British politicians of "tearing society apart" by allowing a Brexit referendum.This on the 11th consecutive weekend of riots and unrest by the yellow vest protesters.

You couldn't make it up.

Whitehall apparently dusting off their martial law guidelines for possible use with a no-deal, not made up, in the Evening Standard.
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You did not give an example of one of these laws.

 

How about Nitrous Oxide levels.

 

Ours are way above the EU levels.

 

As a result thousands of people are dying and our kids are developing lung disease.

That will show Johnny Foriegner that we are a sovereign nation

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How about Nitrous Oxide levels.

 

Ours are way above the EU levels.

 

As a result thousands of people are dying and our kids are developing lung disease.

That will show Johnny Foriegner that we are a sovereign nation

 

I could be wrong but I thought the N2O levels were high because the financial institutions, banks, in collusion with the government were releasing N2O into confined spaces, e.g. shareholder meetings, press conferences etc when the released the inevitable news that the money had gone, pension pots had been decimated etc..... to put a smile on everyone's face when they asked for a few more billion £ so they could continue in the lifestyle they had corruptly become accustomed to...? They say a little laughing gas eases the nerves..... used to work for dentists....

Like I say..... I could be wrong.

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