Brexit again...

[Fosse69]

Ok, so if we want to restrict the amount of of EU nationals that can come to this country and look for work, lets say to protect the interests of our own citizens (the very point of having a UK Government) then that is ok is it?

Within current EU rules we can do this, just never bothered, I assume because we had jobs to fill. Still waiting for the Brexit rules to be announced.

[whotobeakiller]

That is a failing of the UK govt for not managing the changes within the country no matter how they happen, called austerity. What is the % of immigration in Stoke on Trent? 90% of new jobs are created in the South, that is the problem.

 

And where do those whom take up jobs in the South live? They live in cheap areas like Stoke which along with immigration puts huge strain on all our local services

 

Austerity is one thing and being in the EU is another and the EU helps it not. We would be a lot better off locally if it was not for huge amounts of Immigration austerity or not. Why do those from the South get priced out? Simply because immigration pushes up their already huge high end prices

 

The real failing of the UK government is not managing the UK EU referendum decision and managing it in terms of a No deal which is what we voted for

[Fosse69]

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/institutions-bodies/court-justice_en

 

Some very strange language on this website considering I live in the UK and I'm being told that UK law is sovereign.

 

"enforcing the law (infringement proceedings) – this type of case is taken against a national government for failing to comply with EU law. Can be started by the European Commission or another EU country. If the country is found to be at fault, it must put things right at once, or risk a second case being brought, which may result in a fine."

 

It's there, official website of the CJEU. Part of their role is to ensure that the UK complies with EU law. If the UK is found to be at fault we must put things right at once or else we could end up being fined.

 

It doesn't sound very sovereign to me that there is a higher authority outside of the UK that can punish us when we don't do what they say?

 

 

This is also doesn't sound much like a trade deal to me?

 

This sounds like the EU are actually the supreme authority for UK citizens.

Just wait for the US corporate lawyers, never mind Trump, they will still be there enforcing trade rules.

[whotobeakiller]

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/institutions-bodies/court-justice_en

 

Some very strange language on this website considering I live in the UK and I'm being told that UK law is sovereign.

 

"enforcing the law (infringement proceedings) – this type of case is taken against a national government for failing to comply with EU law. Can be started by the European Commission or another EU country. If the country is found to be at fault, it must put things right at once, or risk a second case being brought, which may result in a fine."

 

It's there, official website of the CJEU. Part of their role is to ensure that the UK complies with EU law. If the UK is found to be at fault we must put things right at once or else we could end up being fined.

 

It doesn't sound very sovereign to me that there is a higher authority outside of the UK that can punish us when we don't do what they say?

 

 

This is also doesn't sound much like a trade deal to me?

 

This sounds like the EU are actually the supreme authority for UK citizens.

 

The EU also dictate business as well as law. Democratic not

[Fosse69]

And where do those whom take up jobs in the South live? They live in cheap areas like Stoke which along with immigration puts huge strain on all our local services

 

Austerity is one thing and being in the EU is another and the EU helps it not. We would be a lot better off locally if it was not for huge amounts of Immigration austerity or not. Why do those from the South get priced out? Simply because immigration pushes up their already huge high end prices

 

The real failing of the UK government is not managing the UK EU referendum decision and managing it in terms of a No deal which is what we voted for

The failing was not moving jobs to areas where jobs were lost, of course people were upset because nobody cared, but will it change? Will all the changes be worth it? I hope so.

[Regal Beagle]

Within current EU rules we can do this, just never bothered, I assume because we had jobs to fill. Still waiting for the Brexit rules to be announced.

 

So brexit is pointless then, we are sovereign and immigration can be limited whenever we want.

 

Someone should have really said this 3 years ago.

[Regal Beagle]

Just wait for the US corporate lawyers, never mind Trump, they will still be there enforcing trade rules.

 

Trade rules or telling us that our law has to comply with their law?

 

There's a big difference. One is a contractual agreement, and one is a sovereign power exerting their constitutional authority over a member state.

 

It really is there in black in white in the post you quoted.

 

100% conclusive proof, in the words of the EU, that they are sovereign over the UK.

[geosname]

Seems Mr barnyard is saying that if we leave without a deal the EU doesn't need a blacktop in Ireland.....

What's that all about?

Just a way of keeping the UK tied to the EU perhaps?

[For Us All]

Seems Mr barnyard is saying that if we leave without a deal the EU doesn't need a blacktop in Ireland.....

What's that all about?

Just a way of keeping the UK tied to the EU perhaps?

 

Apparently,he says that the backstop is only required if there is a deal.

You couldn't make this **** up?

[whotobeakiller]

Apparently,he says that the backstop is only required if there is a deal.

You couldn't make this **** up?

 

The UK government have gone about this all wrong

 

How about the British Government, N Ireland Assembly, Republic Government and Welsh and Scottish assembly working together for the first time in history to rid themselves of the EU dictatorship and work together as five nations in the British Union

 

It is the above that need to stick together and they can do that from Parliament

[whotobeakiller]

The failing was not moving jobs to areas where jobs were lost, of course people were upset because nobody cared, but will it change? Will all the changes be worth it? I hope so.

 

Jobs have been created in this area for years...we are not a manufacturing base anymore what the working classes depended on for a life where people can afford to go on holiday once in a while

 

Those jobs in the Private sector in the service industry are saturated with low wages and high immigration ready to be plucked. Get rid of 100 people there are another 300 people waiting in Poland and so on

 

Do you ever wonder why there are so many people angry with the system?

 

The government has helped big Business to adopt the cheapest manpower policies and have helped them to maintain low wages for nearly Two decades

 

The best jobs going to those who know people and not what you know.

 

Will the changes be worth it...no- not for the working class or the middle class. For the elites yes

[Fosse69]

Trade rules or telling us that our law has to comply with their law?

 

There's a big difference. One is a contractual agreement, and one is a sovereign power exerting their constitutional authority over a member state.

 

It really is there in black in white in the post you quoted.

 

100% conclusive proof, in the words of the EU, that they are sovereign over the UK.

Terms of trade agreed with other members, just the same as terms of trade outside the EU. Nothing to do with sovereignty. Name a law not agreed by the council of ministers/ MEPs all democratically elected.

[whotobeakiller]

Terms of trade agreed with other members, just the same as terms of trade outside the EU. Nothing to do with sovereignty. Name a law not agreed by the council of ministers/ MEPs all democratically elected.

 

There are 28 Member states in the EU...do you think we elect the other 27 member states MEP's?

 

The fact that we can elect our own makes little difference to the decisions the other 27 make..so your opinion that we have true democracy in the EU is frankly rubbish

[Jacko51]

There are 28 Member states in the EU...do you think we elect the other 27 member states MEP's?

 

The fact that we can elect our own makes little difference to the decisions the other 27 make..so your opinion that we have true democracy in the EU is frankly rubbish

 

Are you saying that because the UK might be in a minority when decisions are made that it is not true democracy?????

[Fosse69]

Seems Mr barnyard is saying that if we leave without a deal the EU doesn't need a blacktop in Ireland.....

What's that all about?

Just a way of keeping the UK tied to the EU perhaps?

The crux is the Good Friday Agreement, the International Peace Treaty. Since at the time it was agreed, Ireland and N.Ireland were in the same custom and trading market, so like Germany and France today did not require border posts. Obviously nobody wants a return to those days, but trading under WTO rules with no restraints is not acceptable to Ireland or the EU without a border. The alternative is outside the EU but with the same custom and market rules, probably a smoke and mirrors system until we make our minds up on what we really want, hence the insurance policy or back stop. Without a deal there is no insurance and the Good Friday agreement is at risk, there is no Govt in NI, NI voted to stay, DUP did not and is propping a hung parliament up. Could you make it up to coin a phrase?