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I too heard that in the interview with Peston last night. A one-issue party? What's the sense in that? And, if Brexit happens, what are they then going to campaign on? I'm amazed that TV programmes still invite him on to spout his rubbish!

 

It's intended to fight in any General or local elections if Article 50 is extended.

Why not,none of the other parties seem to be representing the leavers?

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It's intended to fight in any General or local elections if Article 50 is extended.

Why not,none of the other parties seem to be representing the leavers?

Most parties represent leavers, stayers, don't knows, not bothered, etc. Single issue candidates rarely get elected in general elections but can change results.
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Anyone else hear Rees-Mogg yesterday?

 

He said apparently that if MPs attempt to vote to postpone or cancel Brexit Parliament should be shut down for an indefinite period to allow Brexit to take place first. This coming from someone who said that Brexit would return sovereignty to Parliament.

 

You couldn't make it up.

 

Rees Mogg also seems to have forgotten he said this in the Commons: “We could have two referendums. As it happens, it might make more sense to have the second referendum after the renegotiation is completed.”

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Rees Mogg also seems to have forgotten he said this in the Commons: “We could have two referendums. As it happens, it might make more sense to have the second referendum after the renegotiation is completed.”

 

A little bit disingenuous to bring that quote up.

 

First of all he was speaking in 2011, second of all he was asked what form a referendum could take, whether it could be 3-way or FPTP for example. He was giving potential options.

 

Thirdly, his suggestions were not carried forward. If we had been told at the time that an in out referendum would result in a vote on the final deal should out win, then fine, but we weren't.

 

We voted out, Parliament passed a law that we shall leave the EU on 29th March 2019. Anything else is wholly unacceptable, undemocratic and constitutionally very dangerous for this country.

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Anyone else hear Rees-Mogg yesterday?

 

He said apparently that if MPs attempt to vote to postpone or cancel Brexit Parliament should be shut down for an indefinite period to allow Brexit to take place first. This coming from someone who said that Brexit would return sovereignty to Parliament.

 

You couldn't make it up.

 

It's perfectly clear what he is saying no?

 

We have not left yet and therefore do not have sovereignty. In order to regain sovereignty we need to leave the EU. In order to leave the EU we need Parliament to not reverse or block the leave process.

 

Parliament will be sovereign when we've left. Until then it isn't.

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A little bit disingenuous to bring that quote up.

 

Why? He said it.

 

First of all he was speaking in 2011, second of all he was asked what form a referendum could take, whether it could be 3-way or FPTP for example. He was giving potential options.

 

When he was speaking is irrelevant, he said "it might make more sense". He clearly thought at that point that allowing a decision to be made on any deal was the sensible thing to do. I have never said I want a second referendum. Mr Rees Mogg has - what has changed his mind?

 

Thirdly, his suggestions were not carried forward. If we had been told at the time that an in out referendum would result in a vote on the final deal should out win, then fine, but we weren't.

 

There were a lot of things we weren't told before the first referendum.

 

We voted out, Parliament passed a law that we shall leave the EU on 29th March 2019. Anything else is wholly unacceptable, undemocratic and constitutionally very dangerous for this country.

 

I disagree. It is undemocratic to fix a democratic decision in stone. You don't want another referendum. Fine. But nor do you want the decision to be revisted in a few years after we have seen the effects of Brexit. Surely that is undemocratic??

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Cameron said it was a once in a lifetime vote.

490 Mps said we leave in March, voted for it and passed it into law.

Moggy also suggested that if the backstop could be sorted Mays deal could get through.

Jezza says he wants "no deal" off the table as though it's an option not a default position.

Every politician has said something that if taken out of context could suggest something different.

It would be better if they stopped saying something and started doing something.

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Cameron said it was a once in a lifetime vote.

490 Mps said we leave in March, voted for it and passed it into law.

Moggy also suggested that if the backstop could be sorted Mays deal could get through.

Jezza says he wants "no deal" off the table as though it's an option not a default position.

Every politician has said something that if taken out of context could suggest something different.

It would be better if they stopped saying something and started doing something.

 

After 510 pages Geo wins and ends the debate!

 

Oh and Jezza please do us all a favour and **** off with your absysmal politics.

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But not one of the parts we agreed to, no doubt the EU would accept us back under our previous agreements if we don't dither too much, say 10 years.

 

No they wouldn't

 

The direction the EU wishes all member states to take is a synchronized one which mirrors each other in terms of trade and movement of people, currency and interest rates a superstate basically a new America

 

We would be bound by brussels and any downturn in other euro countries would hit the UK also If the UK stayed in the EU it is inevitable that in time we would have to adhere to the full terms of the EU constitution. The Lisbon treaty ensured that the EU parliament has full powers which ensures the direction the EU will take and the direction it is taking is that of a superstate.

 

A superstate which looks after and prospers the very rich and enslaves the very poor. And we would have no ultimate say in the direction of europe...we would have a small voice and nothing else

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No they wouldn't

 

The direction the EU wishes all member states to take is a synchronized one which mirrors each other in terms of trade and movement of people, currency and interest rates a superstate basically a new America

 

We would be bound by brussels and any downturn in other euro countries would hit the UK also If the UK stayed in the EU it is inevitable that in time we would have to adhere to the full terms of the EU constitution. The Lisbon treaty ensured that the EU parliament has full powers which ensures the direction the EU will take and the direction it is taking is that of a superstate.

 

A superstate which looks after and prospers the very rich and enslaves the very poor. And we would have no ultimate say in the direction of europe...we would have a small voice and nothing else

 

Doesn't seem to have done federalist America any harm.

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Why? He said it.

 

 

 

When he was speaking is irrelevant, he said "it might make more sense". He clearly thought at that point that allowing a decision to be made on any deal was the sensible thing to do. I have never said I want a second referendum. Mr Rees Mogg has - what has changed his mind?

 

 

 

There were a lot of things we weren't told before the first referendum.

 

 

 

I disagree. It is undemocratic to fix a democratic decision in stone. You don't want another referendum. Fine. But nor do you want the decision to be revisted in a few years after we have seen the effects of Brexit. Surely that is undemocratic??

 

Only if the democrats have the chance to vote. If Rees-Mogg has his way that wouldn't happen.

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The problem is that a large number of MPs have cottoned on to the fact that Brexit is economically damaging and No Deal would be economic suicide.

 

A very large number of firms have either already made plans to move or have threatened to move to Europe, taking with them tens of thousands of jobs. It would take me another 500 pages to list them all but included are companies like Sony, Panasonic, Phillips, BMW, Toyota, Airbus, Nomura, Barclays, EBA & Moneygram.

 

The economic reality of the situation is becoming clearer each day and that's why many MPs are reluctant to vote to make their constituents poorer.

 

Of course, posh boys and millionaires like Farage, Johnson and Mogg won't be adversely affected and don't give two hoots. And Dyson, who owns a chateau and spends most of his time in southern France is now moving his company to Asia - but it's purely coincidental to Brexit. You couldn't make it up.

 

It should be delayed or put back to the people to vote on, now that we are more aware of the facts rather than the false promises of the Leave Campaign.

 

It's impossibly tough to extricate ourselves from our biggest trading partner of the past 50 years and even after 2 1/2 years of trying to sort out a deal no-one has come up with anything acceptable to Parliament.

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The problem is that a large number of MPs have cottoned on to the fact that Brexit is economically damaging and No Deal would be economic suicide.

 

A very large number of firms have either already made plans to move or have threatened to move to Europe, taking with them tens of thousands of jobs. It would take me another 500 pages to list them all but included are companies like Sony, Panasonic, Phillips, BMW, Toyota, Airbus, Nomura, Barclays, EBA & Moneygram.

 

The economic reality of the situation is becoming clearer each day and that's why many MPs are reluctant to vote to make their constituents poorer.

 

Of course, posh boys and millionaires like Farage, Johnson and Mogg won't be adversely affected and don't give two hoots. And Dyson, who owns a chateau and spends most of his time in southern France is now moving his company to Asia - but it's purely coincidental to Brexit. You couldn't make it up.

 

It should be delayed or put back to the people to vote on, now that we are more aware of the facts rather than the false promises of the Leave Campaign.

 

It's impossibly tough to extricate ourselves from our biggest trading partner of the past 50 years and even after 2 1/2 years of trying to sort out a deal no-one has come up with anything acceptable to Parliament.

 

I actually don't believe that that should be the case, if Brexit is going to be so damaging to the country then the politicians should govern. It shouldn't be put back to the public vote.

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It's perfectly clear what he is saying no?

 

We have not left yet and therefore do not have sovereignty. In order to regain sovereignty we need to leave the EU. In order to leave the EU we need Parliament to not reverse or block the leave process.

 

Parliament will be sovereign when we've left. Until then it isn't.

 

JRM scares these Remainers to death.😀

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