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Davebrad

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7 hours ago, Davebrad said:

to be able to walk away is our key to these negotiations, parliament stopped May doing this but she was half hearted, now Boris as made it clear and as the backing of parliament to go into the talks and face up to the eu, lets deal we want this, you want that, but we will walk away in Dec. 2020...

   The eu is supposed to be union for the common good of its members, if one wants to leave do you threaten cajol them, horseface predicts we will rejoin the eu, they better remember that in the coming talks...and according to trade figs in May 2019 we sold £31.1 billion,to the eu, and bought £40.5 billion,

For 2018, the last full year figures are available, The EU, taken as a whole is the UK’s largest trading partner. In 2018, UK exports to the EU were £291 billion (45% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £357 billion (53% of all UK imports). This 357GBP is from total EU exports of 6.45 trilion Euros (I'm assuming it is Euros).

I can't see a situation where the EU or UK would walk away from each other in terms of trade but to me these figures show much more negotiating power lies with the EU than the UK at the moment.

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41 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:

For 2018, the last full year figures are available, The EU, taken as a whole is the UK’s largest trading partner. In 2018, UK exports to the EU were £291 billion (45% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £357 billion (53% of all UK imports). This 357GBP is from total EU exports of 6.45 trilion Euros (I'm assuming it is Euros).

I can't see a situation where the EU or UK would walk away from each other in terms of trade but to me these figures show much more negotiating power lies with the EU than the UK at the moment.

also from possibly the same report from the House of Commons library,

The share of exports accounted for by the eu has generally fallen over time from 55% in 2006, to 44% in 2016, though this did increase slightly to 45% in 2018...

The share of UK imports accounted for by the eu fell from 58% in 2002, to 51% in 2010, though this has been at 53% since 2014.

So the question is to the eu is do you want to lose that trade with the UK?  and on our part although it is a fair slice of our exports, we have made it clear we are willing to walk away unless we negotiate a good deal, and broker deals elseware...

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On 19/01/2020 at 09:30, Regal Beagle said:

I think there has been far bigger use of unacceptable language on the remain side.

 

They've called leavers racists and nazis for years. A systematic attack using lies and smears.

 

And it's not just me that found the language used by leave eu to be fine - it was the majority of us. Time and again. In fact, if there was evidence of any side of the brexit debate being found to be using unacceptable langauge then I'd look at the perennial losers first, we the public have consistently voted against them. Why do you think that is?

 

(FYI - I won't accept "brainwashed by media" or "everyone is racist now" as answers unless you can actually evidence it).

 

 

"the other side is worse" is a pretty weak defence.

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14 hours ago, Davebrad said:

also from possibly the same report from the House of Commons library,

The share of exports accounted for by the eu has generally fallen over time from 55% in 2006, to 44% in 2016, though this did increase slightly to 45% in 2018...

The share of UK imports accounted for by the eu fell from 58% in 2002, to 51% in 2010, though this has been at 53% since 2014.

So the question is to the eu is do you want to lose that trade with the UK?  and on our part although it is a fair slice of our exports, we have made it clear we are willing to walk away unless we negotiate a good deal, and broker deals elseware...

What about the service industry? We have a 'trade surplus' with the EU in services. Services make up about 80% of our economy.

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3 hours ago, hillmanhunter said:

What about the service industry? We have a 'trade surplus' with the EU in services. Services make up about 80% of our economy.

I saw a couple of news items this last week but can't find them now sorry, that a, Airbus would carry on having wings from Chester, and sub assembles, and b, banking and insurance would still be from London... also I can't see security, technical, expertise being band by the eu after Dec. 2020...

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9 hours ago, hillmanhunter said:

"the other side is worse" is a pretty weak defence.

 

Not as weak as simply ignoring difficult questions though.

 

I asked you why, in your opinion, the public consistently backs the side that you allege uses unacceptable language, and rejects the side that doesn't?

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

 

Not as weak as simply ignoring difficult questions though.

 

I asked you why, in your opinion, the public consistently backs the side that you allege uses unacceptable language, and rejects the side that doesn't?

 

 

 

I don't know. I've been living abroad for over 20 years and have only been back for 1 year. I'm still trying to figure it all out.

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