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2 hours ago, philpvfc said:

What’s Sovereignty got to do with anything? The Queen ordered parliament to close and that was thrown out. We are a democratic society and we had a democratic vote for which millions cannot seem to accept. We should have an election and then decide if we remain democratic or become a Socialist nation.

Parliament is sovereign on behalf of the people, and the Queen is told what to do by the PM, although  a  PM is still responsible to the law and cannot do what suits. . As for democracy we have not got a very good system, it cannot cope with narrow margin referendums, odd really that we designed the German system which do not use referendums for obvious reasons.

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18 minutes ago, Erniemossrules said:

Just think without Brexit we wouldn’t have realised how useless and pathetic some of our MP,s actually are and only in it for themselves.

I think that was widely known before Brexit and highlighted in the Expense scandal if not before..

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28 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

Parliament is sovereign on behalf of the people, and the Queen is told what to do by the PM, although  a  PM is still responsible to the law and cannot do what suits. . As for democracy we have not got a very good system, it cannot cope with narrow margin referendums, odd really that we designed the German system which do not use referendums for obvious reasons.

Do you think it would help if we had a written constitution? 

Or would it be like tax legislation.... full of loopholes and trapdoors?

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2 minutes ago, geosname said:

Do you think it would help if we had a written constitution? 

Or would it be like tax legislation.... full of loopholes and trapdoors?

Are the US better off with one? My priority would be to change the electoral system into a multi-seat PR system one, I could then have a vote that counted for the first time in my life, apart from referenda.

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5 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

Are the US better off with one? My priority would be to change the electoral system into a multi-seat PR system one, I could then have a vote that counted for the first time in my life, apart from referenda.

I don't know mate, I know bugger all about American politics/life.

I don't like PR much.

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3 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

If it hadn't been for Gina Miller we would now be out on the terms of the May deal which you didn't want.  You said it kept us hostage to the EU and was rightly rejected.  Yet now you seem to support a deal which is more than 95% the same? 

5% can make a big difference.

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4 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

It is called sovereignty, or would you prefer a dictatorship?

I've been watching parliament on tele this pm, some good arguments from a few sides ie Benn he would make a good party leader, dup man Jim Shannon, and IDS, in which IDS made a very good point "parliament is sovereign, and on 23rd June 2016, we handed that sovereignty back to the people for them to make their choice"

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