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Davebrad

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Found this on Dominic Cummings blog from 2015:

Should NO (leave) demand a second referendum in the hope of forcing the parties to commit to one? One can see why NO might argue for a second vote. It enables NO to make a NO vote seem much less risky. ‘If you vote YES, you won’t get another vote for another 40 years – if ever. You should vote NO to Cameron’s rubbish deal. If you vote NO, you will force a new Government to negotiate a new deal and give you a new vote. A NO vote is much safer than a YES vote.’ Further, as a matter of democratic accountability, given the enormous importance of so many issues that would be decided in an Article 50 renegotiation – a far, far bigger deal than a normal election – it seems right to give people a vote on it.”

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3 hours ago, Davebrad said:

neither side knew what it would mean, but all parliament apart from 80 or so voted for article 50... that's when the mither started.

 

39 minutes ago, Davebrad said:

I have always said, and continue to say the only democratic way is to honour the result, and by voting overwhelmingly to invoke article 50 parliament at that time, were pursuing that result...

I’ve got no idea. 

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38 minutes ago, geosname said:

Did they mention hard boarders or the GF agreement..... that alone would have been a better strategy than criticising the bus.

A lot of the leave campaign was based on projections that didn't materialise.

The leave campaign didn't do their job any better, neither side knew. I'm not talking voters, the people in the know didn't know, with all the resources at their disposal they didn't have a clue, you can't blame voters for not knowing.... on either side.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/09/tony-blair-and-john-major-brexit-would-close-irish-border

seems pretty clear.

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I've just read this on another football forum.  I think it is very percentive although I know a number of people on here will know better:

Let's understand what this farago is really all about:

i) it is about an ideological drive towards a deregulated Britain, in a similar vein to  the US model - trashing workers rights , appalling environmental and food standards, etc., etc. In other words "a drive to the bottom".

ii) it is about opening up the NHS to commercial interests, in particular those in the USA. This would effectively be the death knell of the NHS as we know it.

iii) but above all it is about preserving the power of the present  extreme right wing Tory set up in government. They have believed all along that pandering to the broad mass of leavers who bought into the utter cr@p they were sold in the lead up to the Referendum would deliver them electoral success. That remains the driving force rather than what is best for the nation and it's people. Sadly, Corbyn's Labour Party have merrily aided and abetted this exercise.

People, this is really not all about delivering the EU exit that most folk believe to be the objective.
 

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24 minutes ago, For Us All said:

Nothings clear from those two PM's with their history.

 “What you would actually have to do is end up with having border controls and customs checks.”

1 minute ago, For Us All said:

Quote of the year from Jezza.

"Labour is not prepared to sell out the communities that we represent"?

More noise 

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2 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

Sadly, they were not all pursuing the same result.  The fact that so many voted against May's deal shows that.  Remember a considerable number of Tories who had voted to invoke Article 50 didn't support the means of implementing it.  This has been the problem all along. a

sadly a considerable number of the rest of the house, were at fault also with their own agenda...

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