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1 hour ago, Nofinikea said:

Also, there would have been no need for the courts to get involved had a minority government not been trying to circumvent parliament to push through there own agenda.

Dont blame the opposition, blame the behaviour of Boris and his idiot cronies and that goes right back to his leave campaign when they all blistered on about something they had no idea how to deliver.

They were probably too busy promoting a No-Deal Brexit to help their hedge funding mates?

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53 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

Parliament  should have decided what Brexit meant and what deal was acceptable before article 50 was voted on, also the country should have been told then that there could be a point where Brexit was not practical for various reasons and would be revoked. This would have put the emphasis on what Brexit entailed and not a blind exit.

Parliament should have known what brexit entailed, found out the costs and consequences of enacting article 50, foreseen the problems with honouring the result before they did...... but brexit was a headline grabber and a vote catcher.

They shouldn't have asked the question.

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19 minutes ago, Andyregs said:

Surely those who voted for, and campaigned to leave should have had an idea. 

If the remain campaign knew they would have highlighted it..... wouldn't they?

It would have been a bigger deterrent than the bus and claims of racism...... wouldn't it?

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8 minutes ago, geosname said:

If the remain campaign knew they would have highlighted it..... wouldn't they?

It would have been a bigger deterrent than the bus and claims of racism...... wouldn't it?

Is that a joke. ‘Project fear’ was clear that leaving would be a disaster. Look back in what was posted on here. We said there would be a choice between a no deal and a bad deal. 

And what bus did the leave campaign use? 

Look at the last paragraph

Alternatives_are_all_worse.pdf?146340008

Last page won’t scroll, but it’s says 

“A vote to leave is a vote for risk. Vote Leave say they’ll walk away from the single market and negotiate a new deal, but they can’t explain what it would be and how long it will take. The truth is if we left, the EU would not give us a better deal than they have for themselves. That means jobs aren’t safe, prices will rise, mortgages will be at risk, and funding for your local school or hospital will fall. It is a risk not worth taking. We can’t afford to leave the EU.”

Domt blame the ignorance of leave voters and campaigners on those who wanted to avoid it.

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1 minute ago, geosname said:

Parliament should have known what brexit entailed, found out the costs and consequences of enacting article 50, foreseen the problems with honouring the result before they did...... but brexit was a headline grabber and a vote catcher.

They shouldn't have asked the question.

True, you never hold a referendum if you don't know the result.  

I have just read a comment on line, The EU is a system built up over 40 years to solve complex and detailed problems between nations, usually by compromise. Parliament is grappling with a binary problem now, and will have to grapple with the EU over trade, guess the winner.

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2 hours ago, Andyregs said:

Surely can’t complain when you don’t even know what you want yourself. 

It seems that the Remainers don't know what they want either.Up until Boris agreed a deal last week all they wanted was to prevent No Deal.

Another bunch of liars.

Labour MP Caroline Flint got it spot on yesterday when she said.

"This was a panic measure to reinsert  the 3-month delay for one reason only - to thwart a deal".

 

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1 minute ago, For Us All said:

It seems that the Remainers don't know what they want either.Up until Boris agreed a deal last week all they wanted was to prevent No Deal.

Another bunch of liars.

Labour MP Caroline Flint got it spot on yesterday when she said.

"This was a panic measure to reinsert  the 3-month delay for one reason only - to thwart a deal".

 

Decide what your opinion is and I can answer you, otherwise it’s just irrelevant noise. 

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51 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

So are you saying that the vote should have been honoured or not? You seem to be suggesting they should  not have voted to invoke article 50?  Make your mind up.

I have always said, and continue to say the only democratic way is to honour the result, and by voting overwhelmingly to invoke article 50 parliament at that time, were pursuing that result...

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1 hour ago, Andyregs said:

Is that a joke. ‘Project fear’ was clear that leaving would be a disaster. Look back in what was posted on here. We said there would be a choice between a no deal and a bad deal. 

And what bus did the leave campaign use? 

Look at the last paragraph

Alternatives_are_all_worse.pdf?146340008

Last page won’t scroll, but it’s says 

“A vote to leave is a vote for risk. Vote Leave say they’ll walk away from the single market and negotiate a new deal, but they can’t explain what it would be and how long it will take. The truth is if we left, the EU would not give us a better deal than they have for themselves. That means jobs aren’t safe, prices will rise, mortgages will be at risk, and funding for your local school or hospital will fall. It is a risk not worth taking. We can’t afford to leave the EU.”

Domt blame the ignorance of leave voters and campaigners on those who wanted to avoid it.

Did they mention hard boarders or the GF agreement..... that alone would have been a better strategy than criticising the bus.

A lot of the leave campaign was based on projections that didn't materialise.

The leave campaign didn't do their job any better, neither side knew. I'm not talking voters, the people in the know didn't know, with all the resources at their disposal they didn't have a clue, you can't blame voters for not knowing.... on either side.

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3 minutes ago, Davebrad said:

I have always said, and continue to say the only democratic way is to honour the result, and by voting overwhelmingly to invoke article 50 parliament at that time, were pursuing that result...

Sadly, they were not all pursuing the same result.  The fact that so many voted against May's deal shows that.  Remember a considerable number of Tories who had voted to invoke Article 50 didn't support the means of implementing it.  This has been the problem all along. 

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18 hours ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

Imagine! A Leader of the Opposition who wants to become Prime Minister. The monster!

 

There are some really <ovf censored> dense people on here.

Yes and you’re the biggest.

What chance has incontinent Corbyn got of becoming Prime Minister.

Long May he last he is doing a brilliant job of showing us what a buffoon he is.

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33 minutes ago, geosname said:

Did they mention hard boarders or the GF agreement..... that alone would have been a better strategy than criticising the bus.

A lot of the leave campaign was based on projections that didn't materialise.

The leave campaign didn't do their job any better, neither side knew. I'm not talking voters, the people in the know didn't know, with all the resources at their disposal they didn't have a clue, you can't blame voters for not knowing.... on either side.

Jesus wept, how his hard is it to understand. The remain campaign didn’t need a plan for the border, they didn’t want to ‘vote for risk’. They didn’t do their job worse as they didn’t tell anyone to vote in the dark. And It’s not as though that’s the only issue. 

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