Brexit again...

[Howjy04]

Well,that’s the bookmakers price not Johnson’s.

[For Us All]

2 hours ago, Howjy04 said:

Latest odds.

1/7 to leave with a deal.

5/1 to leave without a deal.

Varadkar states that the UK want a deal.Why do remainiacs keep on carping on about “ Boris doesn’t want a deal”?

If it looks like it's going well,the Remainers will still try to mess it up.

[Iron Curtain]

I haven’t spent any time on this thread as I knew where it would end up... as time Minchin once put it... arguing different arguments based on one sided opinion... like two tennis players trying to win points by playing beautiful shots on different tennis courts.

All I will say is that it’s hard to trust the judgements of some of the main protagonists on this thread, as they were very supportive of Norman staying on as Owner of the vale.

how can you be judged as reasonable in your views on the UK being part of Europe and al the complexities that involved... when the simplest “should we split” decision you got so terribly terribly terribly wrong.

”Leave him alone” they said... it’s hard running a club, they said, he isn’t doing anything wrong they said.

He stripped the club of every penny he could and fed the main assets left over pies... it’s was OBVIOUS he was bad for the club.

Now... do lecture everyone on how you know what’s right in the brexit debate again... 

[Howjy04]

1/7?  Boris told us it was 1/1,000,000. 

Slight correction,he said it would be 1000000/1 a no
Deal Brexit.That would make leaving with a deal 1/1000001 at least.

[cheshirevaliant]

4 hours ago, Howjy04 said:

Latest odds.

1/7 to leave with a deal.

5/1 to leave without a deal.

Varadkar states that the UK want a deal.Why do remainiacs keep on carping on about “ Boris doesn’t want a deal”?

Howjy, that isn't strictly true. 1/7 includes the possibilities of Article 50 being extended beyond the end of the year or revoked. Basically all options other than "no deal" on October 31st. 

[Davebrad]

58 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

 

how can you be judged as reasonable in your views on the UK being part of Europe and al the complexities that involved... when the simplest “should we split” decision you got so terribly terribly terribly wrong.

 no we didn't get it so terribly terribly terribly wrong, we voted for what we wanted, and won by the way, but the idiots in parliament who were thought to be better, couldn't deliver... yet.

 

[Iron Curtain]

13 minutes ago, Davebrad said:

 no we didn't get it so terribly terribly terribly wrong, we voted for what we wanted, and won by the way, but the idiots in parliament who were thought to be better, couldn't deliver... yet.

I don’t think you have understood what I posted.

The split decision I was referencing was Smurthwaite and Port Vale.

I was then suggesting that if people got that decision wrong... which was so simple, how can we trust their judgement on the far more complex issue of Brexit!

But just shouting me down also kind of proves my point a bit I guess.

[Bycarsbill]

Throughout this whole process over the last 3 years + the Labour party has never appeared to have had anything pertinent to say.  Is it just me, or does anyone else think that Labour's lack of constructive engagement in the Brexit process makes them a total irrelevance?  Whatever the final shape of any deal looks like, what are the odds that Corbyn will be soon saying that he & Labour will refuse to vote for any deal that Johnson achieves? Hopefully there will be enough sensible Labour MPs to vote for a deal and democracy!

[Jacko51]

14 minutes ago, Bycarsbill said:

Throughout this whole process over the last 3 years + the Labour party has never appeared to have had anything pertinent to say.  Is it just me, or does anyone else think that Labour's lack of constructive engagement in the Brexit process makes them a total irrelevance?  Whatever the final shape of any deal looks like, what are the odds that Corbyn will be soon saying that he & Labour will refuse to vote for any deal that Johnson achieves? Hopefully there will be enough sensible Labour MPs to vote for a deal and democracy!

Corbyn's problem throughout this process is that he has been anti-European throughout his political career but he is leading a pro-European party.

[mr.hobblesworth]

I don't think it's that simple. I think the issue is balancing the wishes of the overwhelmingly remain party membership whilst understanding that vast swathes of the "Labour heartlands" want to leave and accepting that the country is split. Labour's approach is, to me, the only one to try and acknowledge all sides but I guess we're currently living through times where people aren't so interested in grey.

[Davebrad]

All I will say is that it’s hard to trust the judgements of some of the main protagonists on this thread, as they were very supportive of Norman staying on as Owner of the vale.

how can you be judged as reasonable in your views on the UK being part of Europe and al the complexities that involved... when the simplest “should we split” decision you got so terribly terribly terribly wrong.

 

sorry I ought to have included the other paragraph I have done above, so, what proof have you for that statement, incidentely    I voted out but I wanted ns gone, then the second paragraph how can you make that assumption, what on earth has wanting or not wanting ns as owner to do with voting in the simplest "should we split", and who are you to say we got it so terribly, terribly, terribly wrong? also i'm not shouting you down just asking you how you come to make that broad statement?

[mr.hobblesworth]

Completely irrelevant to your point but I remember Norman tweeting the day after the referendum about what great news it was and how it was an opportunity for us to put the 'great' back in to Britain.It was whilst he was buying 76 foreign players from that pop salesman.

[Iron Curtain]

25 minutes ago, Davebrad said:

All I will say is that it’s hard to trust the judgements of some of the main protagonists on this thread, as they were very supportive of Norman staying on as Owner of the vale.

how can you be judged as reasonable in your views on the UK being part of Europe and al the complexities that involved... when the simplest “should we split” decision you got so terribly terribly terribly wrong.

 

sorry I ought to have included the other paragraph I have done above, so, what proof have you for that statement, incidentely    I voted out but I wanted ns gone, then the second paragraph how can you make that assumption, what on earth has wanting or not wanting ns as owner to do with voting in the simplest "should we split", and who are you to say we got it so terribly, terribly, terribly wrong? also i'm not shouting you down just asking you how you come to make that broad statement?

Sorry mate, that’s twice you have not understood what I have written.

so... simply, when I say “the should we split decision” I am talking about the decision on whether Norman Smurthwaite was right for Port Vale or whether we would be better splitting from him. and certainly people got that Horribly horribly wrong... because they said we shouldn’t hound him out. 

So, my rather tongue in cheek comment was that those people should not be trusted to comment on Brexit because they have history in having horribly wrong opinions on things far simpler than brexit.

I have not once said whether splitting from Europe is right or wrong!

[geosname]

1 hour ago, Bycarsbill said:

Throughout this whole process over the last 3 years + the Labour party has never appeared to have had anything pertinent to say.  Is it just me, or does anyone else think that Labour's lack of constructive engagement in the Brexit process makes them a total irrelevance?  Whatever the final shape of any deal looks like, what are the odds that Corbyn will be soon saying that he & Labour will refuse to vote for any deal that Johnson achieves? Hopefully there will be enough sensible Labour MPs to vote for a deal and democracy!

Labour have to be careful..... if.... and it's a huge if.....boris happens to nail a deal and Labour screw it up they will not only lose leave voters they will also lose a large percentage of the fence sitters who just want it over and gone and a percentage of the remain voters.

The libs are also stuck in a void if we leave, their main platform is dead.

The SNP won't have anyone to sell their votes to.

The opposition parties can't afford to back any deal.... even a good one

[Howjy04]

1 hour ago, cheshirevaliant said:

Howjy, that isn't strictly true. 1/7 includes the possibilities of Article 50 being extended beyond the end of the year or revoked. Basically all options other than "no deal" on October 31st. 

• Strictly speaking you are correct chesh,but if you factor in all eventualities on whether we leave (at any time) 5/1 is the price to leave without a deal.Probably 4/1.Making 1/7 probably 1/6 to leave with a deal.Bookies need to make money ,mate.😉