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Davebrad

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23 minutes ago, geosname said:

People who voted to leave...... simple

People voted for various reasons apart from not wanting to be in the EU, CM, etc, to other reasons from the Eurovision song contest to a protest vote against Austerity, whereas remain  voters would tend to be less particular. I gave it no thought beyond being happy that England had been at peace with the continent since 1945.

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2 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

Anything to avoid the point. Dont know why I bother as you only ever seem to want to pick up pedantic points as I think you feel it makes you look clever and wise when really it just makes talking to you tedious.

I've avoided nothing...... both sides are the opposite faces of the same coin.

They all lie, make promises they dont/can't keep..... they just wear a different colour rosette

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2 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

People voted for various reasons apart from not wanting to be in the EU, CM, etc, to other reasons from the Eurovision song contest to a protest vote against Austerity, whereas remain  voters would tend to be less particular. I gave it no thought beyond being happy that England had been at peace with the continent since 1945.

Whatever reason people who voted to leave had..... do you think they should just be ignored?..... their vote, for whatever reason, simply dismissed?

Would that pull the country back together again?

My concern isn't about who wins, to be brutally honest I don't give a rats ass as long as something actually happens.... one way or the other..... my concern is the aftermath of whichever way we go.

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1 minute ago, geosname said:

Whatever reason people who voted to leave had..... do you think they should just be ignored?..... their vote, for whatever reason, simply dismissed?

Would that pull the country back together again?

My concern isn't about who wins, to be brutally honest I don't give a rats ass as long as something actually happens.... one way or the other..... my concern is the aftermath of whichever way we go.

But if, and I know we do not know, the majority was made up of people who used the referendum for purposes other than wanting to leave what value was the result? The main reason thresholds are put on votes , so  to me the only way out is a confirmatory vote with all the issues explained properly without bias, to avoid misunderstanding and continuous argument over the next decade. Wishful thinking I know, but the likes of Farage will never be happy with whatever deal is made.

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Logically the EU were never going to offer us a good deal. It wouldn't be in their interest to do so. It was obvious they would want to discourage other members from doing the same...... commonly called self preservation.

Any politician who thought they would or they will are idiots

Which brings me back to the point...... if it's in their interests, if it supports their cause..... Politicians  lie.

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2 hours ago, Nofinikea said:

 

Why would anybody be against a second more inclusive vote with ACTUAL propositions that can be achieved?  I can only think they are scared they are flogging a dead horse.

simple, because if it was a remain result the leave voters would do what the remainers are doing now, because they've been shown what can be done by shouting and causing a uproar... if God forbid the leave voters won again what would the remainers do then? go for the best out of 3... plus to clarify the point if your negotiating a deal  and you can't  agree on a result, the only thing left is no deal...

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3 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

But if, and I know we do not know, the majority was made up of people who used the referendum for purposes other than wanting to leave what value was the result? The main reason thresholds are put on votes , so  to me the only way out is a confirmatory vote with all the issues explained properly without bias, to avoid misunderstanding and continuous argument over the next decade. Wishful thinking I know, but the likes of Farage will never be happy with whatever deal is made.

It doesn't matter why they voted the way they did..... the simple fact is they did.

If you start discounting votes due to that criteria what's the point of voting.

Disscount all party votes as being a protest vote against the other party?..... it would be time for another election before you declare the result of the first.

The only honest statements are vote remain because we don't know what will happen if we leave..... vote leave because it will be different if we do.

The rest is guesswork and prediction..... which as the referendum polls showed isn't reliable.

I wish there was a simple solution mate. Discounting and dissafecting 15000000 voters is a dangerous thing to do for any parliament

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1 hour ago, Davebrad said:

simple, because if it was a remain result the leave voters would do what the remainers are doing now, because they've been shown what can be done by shouting and causing a uproar... if God forbid the leave voters won again what would the remainers do then? go for the best out of 3... plus to clarify the point if your negotiating a deal  and you can't  agree on a result, the only thing left is no deal...

If you are trying to buy a house and cant get a deal it is back to the status quo. A matter of explaining to the electorate that although a narrow majority voted to leave, it was not practical due to unforeseen circumstances.  We carry on with the status quo and review in 10 years time, not dismissing the vote just giving it more consideration. 10 years is nothing in the life of a nation.

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2 hours ago, Davebrad said:

simple, because if it was a remain result the leave voters would do what the remainers are doing now, because they've been shown what can be done by shouting and causing a uproar... if God forbid the leave voters won again what would the remainers do then? go for the best out of 3... plus to clarify the point if your negotiating a deal  and you can't  agree on a result, the only thing left is no deal...

The people did not vote to crash out without a deal

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4 hours ago, geosname said:

It is simple...... the answer to your question is anyone who voted leave.

Do you think none hardliners will be happy they are ignored?

There are plenty of remainers who are worried about the state of our democracy too. 

It boils down to a very simple question - why do all of the remain supporting parties want to avoid an election at all costs?

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