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4 minutes ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

Mario, I agree that Thornberry's comment made Labour's position appear ridiculous although that isn't official party policy. I'd hope that we agree to take a neutral position as a party and allow our MPs to campaign as they see fit. 

Thornberry lives in the Islington bubble too many of the Labour hierarchy seem out of touch with their middle of the road supporters and I can imagine Labour supporters north of the M25 still voting out.

The country is bust thanks to Cameron running scared of Farage it will take years to fix. Is Corbyn the leader required to repair the damage ? I don't think so,who is capable of fixing it ? God knows

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14 minutes ago, Mario said:

The country is bust thanks to Cameron running scared of Farage it will take years to fix. 

And that's the most sensible sentence I've read on this thread in several hundred pages.

Farage needed challenging and calling out for what he is. But instead we end up letting the genie out of the bottle and now it won't go back.

Like you, I can see this hare running for many years into the future and that saddens me. Whatever happens in the next few weeks it won't be the end of things but the beginning of the end. It won't disappear. Something that was not a major concern to anyone apart from a few Ukippers and Bill Cash has now morphed into a monster.

As you say, goodness knows where we'll end up. If we don't leave many will feel betrayed and annoyed. If we leave and it goes badly then just as many will feel sold down the river. And if we leave at all half the population will be annoyed. Most younger voters want to remain and I expect us one way or another to be back in the EU in the not too distant future. If we leave it has to work well. On top of ten years of austerity, if it goes wrong and the economy gets a big hit....then I would not want to be in Johnson's shoes.

Conclusion? It's a complete mess.

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2 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

"citing brexit uncertainty".

That's the third element, the cost of politicians not knowing what they are doing is expensive. It's not attributable to brexit or remaining but a consequence of both being in the hands of incompetent party politicians.

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2 hours ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

Mario, I agree that Thornberry's comment made Labour's position appear ridiculous although that isn't official party policy. I'd hope that we agree to take a neutral position as a party and allow our MPs to campaign as they see fit. 

It's going to be expensive hiring a large team of proctologists to remove all those splinters from all those asses.

Their "polocy" is to gain power, that's the prime objective, everything else is incidental.

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I think Labour are missing/avoiding a golden opportunity to represent 50% of the voting population on a question they know the answer to.

They don't have to make manifesto promises they can't keep, they don't have to buy the votes with vague financial  betterment. 

They could obliterate the libs politically and stand toe to toe with their natural enemy in a head to head that would clearly indicate by the result what Joe public actually wants..... they would get all their grass roots voters back and a huge chunk of the remain voters from the Tories.

They would surely have the support of the majority of business people and a large part of the media, who daily report how bad brexit and the Tories are, would endorse them.

Even if it was a small majority they could call on the "others" to support a second referendum. 

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3 hours ago, Mario said:

.., I have said before there is something deeper going on here, I might be a conspiracy theorist but our strings are being pulled from darker forces,they never thought for one minute we would vote out, the other EU countries are watching with interest, I have a relation who lives in France and she says they would jump at the chance of getting out and that Soros fella who nearly bust the Bank of England is sniffing around probably looking after his interests is he funding the remainers? I dont know, but theres something going on...

Before the Referendum I took the view  the EU - with the not so subtle guiding hand of Germany - was behaving like economic Imperialists using monies paid in by its members.

Since the Referendum it seems to me the 'dark forces' you allude to are very much closer to home - both in and outside Westminster - and I very much doubt they give a toss what happens to the UK.

As for those asking for evidence one way or the other the effects post Brexit, all we can say is there will be changes, and if the latest news from Brussels is to be believed Bday looms large because the EU threatens expulsion by end of October whether Westminster is ready or not.

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44 minutes ago, Aussie Rules said:

Before the Referendum I took the view  the EU - with the not so subtle guiding hand of Germany - was behaving like economic Imperialists using monies paid in by its members.

Since the Referendum it seems to me the 'dark forces' you allude to are very much closer to home - both in and outside Westminster - and I very much doubt they give a toss what happens to the UK.

As for those asking for evidence one way or the other the effects post Brexit, all we can say is there will be changes, and if the latest news from Brussels is to be believed Bday looms large because the EU threatens expulsion by end of October whether Westminster is ready or not.

I think a peculiar thing has happened to British politics over the last 3 years or so.

The people have left the old biases behind, socialism doesn't work, capitalism doesn't work, and moved to a parliament and it's members don't work..... no matter which side of the brexit argument you sit it seems obvious that parliament can't deal with the problem..... it has no capacity to put the country in front of the party political self

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38 minutes ago, geosname said:

I think a peculiar thing has happened to British politics over the last 3 years or so.

The people have left the old biases behind, socialism doesn't work, capitalism doesn't work, and moved to a parliament and it's members don't work..... no matter which side of the brexit argument you sit it seems obvious that parliament can't deal with the problem..... it has no capacity to put the country in front of the party political self

If only there was someone Geo that is capable of delivering British success in Europe similar to 1704. Sadly we're out of stock of Churchills'.

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If only there was someone Geo that is capable of delivering British success in Europe similar to 1704. Sadly we're out of stock of Churchills'.
The problem is the sheer scale of the interconnections built up over the last 40 odd years as part of the largest trading group in the world. The politicians do not appreciate it and ignore the experts that do, and only list to backers and lobbyists.
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23 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

What about another super duper bloke who everyone trotted out as a beacon for Brexit, James Dyson?  The gazillionare who told us all how much better off we will be out of the EU who then moved his business to Singapore "to retain access to the European market"...

Theres a load of examples of businesses moving away, stopping investment etc, just look them up.  Where are the businesses coming here because we voted out?  Yet, the dipsticks keep telling us everything will be better - HOW?  Nobody tells us how.

RB, chief dipstick, cites food being cheaper after Brexit and aludes to loads of businesses investing in the UK.  Where are they? How?  It's all lies.

Any talk of immigration at this point to protect working class jobs is just pub talk small minded hot air bordering on racist intent fuelled by the likes of Farage banging the drum that the foreigners are taking our jobs and everything is there fault.  Its baseless rubbish and people wonder why I compare it to 1930s Germany.  

The people running Brexit are now treading very close to groups like Britain First it's gone so right wing.  The undercurrent behind the no deal agenda has a very strong whiff of facism.  Far right groups are now attaching themselves to no deal Brexit and people seem happy to be aligned with there views as long as they get this utopia that doesnt exist.  Turn a blind eye to the ugly parts for a greater good that they have been sold.  1930s Germany again?

In a shrinking world, who in there right mind thinks isolating yourselves from your neighbours is a good idea?  Only people fuelled by nationalism with a twisted belief that Britain can dominate global politics and markets without the shackles of the EU holding us back, surely.

Being economically dependent on each other in a block like the EU also serves to keep peace.  That comes at a cost, but it's worth every penny because the cost of that peace falling apart will cost lives.  Ripping up the Good Friday Agreement to push through a small minded policy will lead to bloodshed.

We must not leave without good terms and we must find a suitable solution to Ireland.  The right wing Johnson will not do this by the end of October mainly because Dominic Cummings (did anyone elect him?) Has no intention of getting a deal.

 

Can you please stop the name calling?

 

Record investment in uk tech start ups this year. 

London trades more rupees than India now. 

These are industries by the way, not just 3 companies which you have named (at least two of which are pro brexit and blame uncertainty rather than brexit itself).

 

10 years ago, 10 of the top 40 companies in the world were from the EU.

Now only 2 are.

Why is the EU any better? 

 

As for the peace argument, we are doing pretty well at not going to war with every other country outside of the eu. 

 

Please stop mentioning 1930s Germany. It is comical. And not sure where britain first comes into it either but obviously you've not explained your alleged logic.

 

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54 minutes ago, Nofinikea said:

What about another super duper bloke who everyone trotted out as a beacon for Brexit, James Dyson?  The gazillionare who told us all how much better off we will be out of the EU who then moved his business to Singapore "to retain access to the European market"...

Theres a load of examples of businesses moving away, stopping investment etc, just look them up.  Where are the businesses coming here because we voted out?  Yet, the dipsticks keep telling us everything will be better - HOW?  Nobody tells us how.

RB, chief dipstick, cites food being cheaper after Brexit and aludes to loads of businesses investing in the UK.  Where are they? How?  It's all lies.

Any talk of immigration at this point to protect working class jobs is just pub talk small minded hot air bordering on racist intent fuelled by the likes of Farage banging the drum that the foreigners are taking our jobs and everything is there fault.  Its baseless rubbish and people wonder why I compare it to 1930s Germany.  

The people running Brexit are now treading very close to groups like Britain First it's gone so right wing.  The undercurrent behind the no deal agenda has a very strong whiff of facism.  Far right groups are now attaching themselves to no deal Brexit and people seem happy to be aligned with there views as long as they get this utopia that doesnt exist.  Turn a blind eye to the ugly parts for a greater good that they have been sold.  1930s Germany again?

In a shrinking world, who in there right mind thinks isolating yourselves from your neighbours is a good idea?  Only people fuelled by nationalism with a twisted belief that Britain can dominate global politics and markets without the shackles of the EU holding us back, surely.

Being economically dependent on each other in a block like the EU also serves to keep peace.  That comes at a cost, but it's worth every penny because the cost of that peace falling apart will cost lives.  Ripping up the Good Friday Agreement to push through a small minded policy will lead to bloodshed.

We must not leave without good terms and we must find a suitable solution to Ireland.  The right wing Johnson will not do this by the end of October mainly because Dominic Cummings (did anyone elect him?) Has no intention of getting a deal.

 

You could draw similarities between Nazi Germany and the EU...... one wanted to control Europe by force the other by coercion and financial pressure..... there are other similarities if you look for them.

There are similarities between remainers and Nazis... one demonized people who didn't agree with them the other put them in ghettos.... one used the people they cast out as slave Labour the other wants to continue using them.

A strikingly obvious contrast  between brexit and Nazis...... one wanted to unite Europe under a single control the other wants to escape that control.  

We could make almost anything fit what we want to believe..... politicians are quite adept at it....

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1 minute ago, Nofinikea said:

So traditionally eurosceptic that in 1975 we voted to enter the EU by a massive margin.  In fact only 20% of the eligible population to vote actually voted to stay out..  but yeh, traditionally we are euro sceptic.  You point out european elections as an indication as to the rise, you are dead right, through parties like UKIP there has been a rise in xenophobia, the blame put on Poles etc because half arsed plumbers can no longer bum around building sites dragging in 2k a week for 3/5 of <ovf censored> all.  The right wing agenda has been seeping in for some time and the more dull in society have been signing up believing that if all the foreigners would bugger off they would all be offered loads of work on good money when in truth most of them haven't got a days work in them and never have.  We were ok to have immigrants to clean our bogs or sweep our floors but how dare they better themselves, taking our jobs, women and beer.  Farage is right, UKIP are right, Britain First are right and eventually there is a ground swell of right wing agendas. 

I am not against Brexit but I am agaisnt fascists driving it, which is now what this is becoming.  

Good men went to war to stop the rise of right wing idealists and I will be <ovf censored> if I am going to stand by and say nothing whilst people like you allow this to happen again because you are to pig ignorant to see what's actually going on.

As far as I am concerned, any advocate of a no deal Brexit is treading very close to fascist values.

Did we ever have a referendum to join the EU?

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