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2 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

Chris Bryant MP for one would strongly dispute that assertion. 

There would probably be a number of people who may dispute it.

A number of people would dispute the speaker has been impartial. 

It's a matter of opinion..... neither of which are necessarily mine.

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8 minutes ago, VantaaVale said:

Parliament suspension ruled unlawful

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-49661855

This could potentially be very serious for Boris Johnson - only potentially at the moment as the Government will appeal to the Supreme Court - but if they uphold the decision he will not only have misled Parliament he will have misled the Queen as well. Both issues requiring a resignation. 

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21 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

It's all in this thread in the last few months and it is already determined so I'm not needlessly going to go round in that particular circle any more.

If you post evidence that the EU budget is wrong, I'll reconsider my position. As it stands, the best source of information we have demonstrates that it was a true and reasonable statement. That's really all there is to say on it.

Considering the Red Bus message was one of the most important policies in the Brexit Referendum and swayed many people into voting Leave it is important to get to the truth, especially when the lie has been denied.

The GB Office for National Statistics clearly shows the the 350m/week for the NHS as a result of leaving the EU is absolutely a lie.

In 2016 the UK paid 18.9bn pounds to the EU, When Thatcher's rebate is deducted together with the money which comes back to the public and private sectors in the UK it leaves a net contribution to the EU of 9.4bn which equates to approx. 180.8m/week, about half of what johnson claimed.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/theukcontributiontotheeubudget/2017-10-31

You should reconsider your position.

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27 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:

 Considering the Red Bus message was one of the most important policies in the Brexit Referendum and swayed many people into voting Leave it is important to get to the truth, especially when the lie has been denied.

The GB Office for National Statistics clearly shows the the 350m/week for the NHS as a result of leaving the EU is absolutely a lie.

In 2016 the UK paid 18.9bn pounds to the EU, When Thatcher's rebate is deducted together with the money which comes back to the public and private sectors in the UK it leaves a net contribution to the EU of 9.4bn which equates to approx. 180.8m/week, about half of what johnson claimed.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/theukcontributiontotheeubudget/2017-10-31

You should reconsider your position.

According to Cummings today, another big factor was keeping Farage off the BBC just prior to the vote. Frightens the middle classes apparently, as well as the horses!

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2 hours ago, Heatwave said:

This could potentially be very serious for Boris Johnson - only potentially at the moment as the Government will appeal to the Supreme Court - but if they uphold the decision he will not only have misled Parliament he will have misled the Queen as well. Both issues requiring a resignation. 

The judiciary interfering with the executive..... now that's a problem.

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3 minutes ago, geosname said:

The judiciary interfering with the executive..... now that's a problem.

Are they not there to judge whether people including MPs are abiding or not with the law. It is not possible for Merkel to close the German Parliament in such a fashion, nor should such a procedure be available here. Nor is all the mumbo-jumbo tapping on the door required. A week`s break between sessions should be perfectly adequate. Personally I would move Parliament to a more central position, say Birmingham, convert HP into a museum, House of Horrors would be a suitable theme, with fireworks displays on the 5th of each month.

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2 hours ago, Heatwave said:

This could potentially be very serious for Boris Johnson - only potentially at the moment as the Government will appeal to the Supreme Court - but if they uphold the decision he will not only have misled Parliament he will have misled the Queen as well. Both issues requiring a resignation. 

Should be all right couple of the chaps were in the same dorm at Eton.

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2 hours ago, Paul6754 said:

Considering the Red Bus message was one of the most important policies in the Brexit Referendum and swayed many people into voting Leave it is important to get to the truth, especially when the lie has been denied.

The GB Office for National Statistics clearly shows the the 350m/week for the NHS as a result of leaving the EU is absolutely a lie.

In 2016 the UK paid 18.9bn pounds to the EU, When Thatcher's rebate is deducted together with the money which comes back to the public and private sectors in the UK it leaves a net contribution to the EU of 9.4bn which equates to approx. 180.8m/week, about half of what johnson claimed.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/theukcontributiontotheeubudget/2017-10-31

You should reconsider your position.

I'll reconsider my position when you tell me how the EU budget for 2015 is wrong.

Until then, it's done and dusted Paul, I'm not getting into the net/gross garbage with you.

It's an interesting argument you have there though "If you take all of the money the UK paid to the EU and half it, you get half of what Boris claimed we paid to the EU".

 

Great, thanks for that Paul.

 

Can we put this one to bed now?

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2 hours ago, geosname said:

The judiciary interfering with the executive..... now that's a problem.

Do you find it funny how they seemingly don't care about a consitutional crisis all of a sudden when you have Parliament and the Judiciary stepping in on the Government's business?

What would they be saying if it was an open remainer Government under attack from Parliament and the Judiciary?

The supreme court will overturn this.

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14 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

Do you find it funny how they seemingly don't care about a consitutional crisis all of a sudden when you have Parliament and the Judiciary stepping in on the Government's business?

What would they be saying if it was an open remainer Government under attack from Parliament and the Judiciary?

The supreme court will overturn this.

Parliament is sovereign, a government without a majority is subject to parliament, all are subject to the law of the land. Parliament can make and rescind laws, but they have to obey them. Others with pots of money have their ways.

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