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2 minutes ago, geosname said:

They vote on it and it only needs a simple majority..... or not.

He could force a no confidence vote..... which the opposition have been crowing about..... would they vote it down?

Just this second come up on the Guardian's news feed....
 

 

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Opposition parties have agreed not to back early general election until Benn bill passes, Plaid Cymru suggests

Liz Saville Roberts, the Plaid Cymru leader at Westminster, was one of the opposition leaders who met Jeremy Corbyn this morning to discuss tactics this week as they seek to rule out a no-deal Brexit. She has just told Sky News that she is confident that the opposition will be able to pass the Benn bill, designed to rule out a no-deal Brexit on 31 October, by the end of this week.

More significantly perhaps, she also implied the opposition parties have agreed not to vote for an early general election until the bill has become law. She said:

We have to be very alert to the fact the the prime minister could be using an early general election as a way of bringing through a no-deal Brexit and to do what he really wants, which is to remain in power. We must be very alert to not accepting a general election on the terms of the prime minister which suits the prime minister and the prime minister alone ...

We are very aware of the way that Boris Johnson will try to play the house. We are not going to be part of his game. And our priority is to stop no-deal Brexit. And the legislation is the way to do that.

When asked if Corbyn backed this approach, she replied: “We were in agreement.”

Johnson cannot call an early election without opposition support. Under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act, the easiest way to get around the rule saying the next election should not take place until 2022 (five years after the last one) would be for two-thirds of MPs to vote for an early election. That could not happen if opposition MPs voted against, or abstained.

Alternatively, under the FTPA, the government could lose a vote of no confidence, and an election would take place if no alternative government won a confidence vote within 14 days. But Johnson would not want to tell his MPs to vote against him in a confidence motion because that could lead to someone else becoming prime minister.

Those are the only two mechanisms under the FTPA that would allow an early election. Alternatively, the government could pass a new bill to amend the FTPA to allow an early election. But, given the size of Johnson’s majority (one, including the DUP), this would probably only get through the Commons with opposition support.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Fosse69 said:

The only middle ground is for us to be half in, half out. In the common market/out of the EU

That's not a middle ground though. We voted to be outside of the middle ground.

The middle ground in reality is a complete exit but with a trade deal in place. Which is strange because that is also what the majority of brexit voters would accept.

 

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4 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

That's not a middle ground though. We voted to be outside of the middle ground.

The middle ground in reality is a complete exit but with a trade deal in place. Which is strange because that is also what the majority of brexit voters would accept.

 

Known as cake and eat it.

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2 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

The only middle ground is for us to be half in, half out. In the common market/out of the EU

I couldn't understand why TM didn't negotiate something along the lines of a Canada, Norway or Switzerland type deal (with extras). She may have done but it appeared to me her deal meant we still paid all the money but lost the seat at the table so were worse off compared to being a member of the EU.

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11 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:

I couldn't understand why TM didn't negotiate something along the lines of a Canada, Norway or Switzerland type deal (with extras). She may have done but it appeared to me her deal meant we still paid all the money but lost the seat at the table so were worse off compared to being a member of the EU.

She never got that far, the WA with temp retained access to the  CM never got past parliament, so as to make a start on Canada/Norway type deal negotiations.  Switzerland has open borders so not an option. It may have had something to do with the EU insurance policy on WTO borders?

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I cannot understand the thinking or logic of anyone thinking Brexit is a good idea after the past 3 plus years. The UK is spiraling out of control economically, politically and socially and for what.

Farage is a very dangerous man and together with Johnson will decimate the UK for years to come, people compare these two charlatans with Trump, at least Trump is trying to do his best for the USA (like or hatethe man or/and his policies) whereas the charlatans are doing their best to wreck the Union.

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2 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:

I cannot understand the thinking or logic of anyone thinking Brexit is a good idea after the past 3 plus years. The UK is spiraling out of control economically, politically and socially and for what.

Farage is a very dangerous man and together with Johnson will decimate the UK for years to come, people compare these two charlatans with Trump, at least Trump is trying to do his best for the USA (like or hatethe man or/and his policies) whereas the charlatans are doing their best to wreck the Union.

What is the real purpose of Brexit, who is funding Brexit, who will make money out of Brexit? Trump, Farage, Johnson links?

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9 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

What is the real purpose of Brexit, who is funding Brexit, who will make money out of Brexit? Trump, Farage, Johnson links?

What a load od codswallop!  So 17.4 million people who voted leave were totally hoodwinked were they?  Why have you omitted Corbyn & McDonnell from your list? They also historically (and I suspect even now) have always wanted to be out of the EU.

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3 minutes ago, Bycarsbill said:

What a load od codswallop!  So 17.4 million people who voted leave were totally hoodwinked were they?  Why have you omitted Corbyn & McDonnell from your list? They also historically (and I suspect even now) have always wanted to be out of the EU.

Corbyn and McDonnell are not in the Brexit Party, the party with no members.

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7 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

What is the real purpose of Brexit, who is funding Brexit, who will make money out of Brexit? Trump, Farage, Johnson links?

It could be argued that the EU imposes restrictions on business which certain people would like to see removed so they can make more money.  Rees Mogg has said we could slash all sorts of safety standards.  He also said there is no reason why we shouldn't use Indian emissions standards.  That is India which is the highest emitter of Sulphur Dioxide - very nasty stuff - in the world.

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