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10 minutes ago, For Us All said:

 

If there is a No Deal it will be solely down to intransigence of the EU.They won't accept that their withdrawal agreement is a dead duck in parliament.They only want to keep the backstop in because it ties us to the customs union forever.

Delaying tactics until the vote is reversed has always been their strategy when other countries have tried to leave.It won't happen this time and until they see sense and decide to sit around the table again it's a lose/lose situation for everbody.

 

Sorry I have forgotten that other countries have used Article 50, please refresh my memory.

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2 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

Sorry I have forgotten that other countries have used Article 50, please refresh my memory.

Ok,I'll give you that one,we are of course the only country who have attempted to leave.However,Ireland,France,Denmark and Greece have all been made to have referendum re-runs because they all initially rejected EU treaties or proposals.

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10 minutes ago, For Us All said:

Ok,I'll give you that one,we are of course the only country who have attempted to leave.However,Ireland,France,Denmark and Greece have all been made to have referendum re-runs because they all initially rejected EU treaties or proposals.

Entirely different scale, just like Thatchers hand bag which were our referendums in the past they were negotiating points in internal differences. With us it is an external difference, the EU have agreed the best deal with our red lines if we want to leave, obviously cannot be as good as staying. They are not going to move on that and will defend the GFA, otherwise if they don't protect Ireland how will all the other small countries feel. If Johnson does not understand the EU that is our loss, it is us, or at least some of us who want to leave.

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4 minutes ago, geosname said:

I think the only realistic way out of the crap now is a deal to placate both factions

But if both factions are unrealistic ?  Johnson will not risk a referendum, he will gamble everything on an election and blame everything on the EU.

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46 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

But if both factions are unrealistic ?  Johnson will not risk a referendum, he will gamble everything on an election and blame everything on the EU.

Of course he would mate, so would jezza in the same position...... their priority would be tenure of office.... it's what politicians do..... neither wants to call a referendum cold.... jezza wants one on any deal so the blame floats..... Boris won't call one because the risk is to high and he can only shift part of the blame, and he hasn't issued enough vote buying ideas to call a GE yet.

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And back in the real world, yesterday it was cars, today it is farming.

Wales first minister and president of the farmer's union have both told Johnson where he can stick his no deal Brexit as both reckon it will decimate the country and it's farmers. The focus is on lamb exports that could face a 40% tariff in light of a no deal. The government has told them not to worry - they can export lamb to Japan instead! Incidentally, being able to export to Japan was an EU initiative a few months ago. It has been calculated that such exports would be worth around £10 m a year compared to £400 m a year that is currently exported to the EU!!

It's unbelievable and gets sillier with each passing day. It's like a Monty Python sketch. The biggest act of social, political and economic self harm in our history?

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5 hours ago, For Us All said:

 

If there is a No Deal it will be solely down to intransigence of the EU.They won't accept that their withdrawal agreement is a dead duck in parliament.They only want to keep the backstop in because it ties us to the customs union forever.

Delaying tactics until the vote is reversed has always been their strategy when other countries have tried to leave.It won't happen this time and until they see sense and decide to sit around the table again it's a lose/lose situation for everbody.

 

The EU can't give the UK preferential conditions on leaving or remaining as other countries would want the same. France and Germany will defend the existence of the EU at all costs.

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13 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:

The EU can't give the UK preferential conditions on leaving or remaining as other countries would want the same. France and Germany will defend the existence of the EU at all costs.

That's part of the danger of the EU...... the EU wants to go where it wants to go and  God help anyone who doesn't want to follow 

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20 minutes ago, geosname said:

That's part of the danger of the EU...... the EU wants to go where it wants to go and  God help anyone who doesn't want to follow 

But surely that's their whole point...there's a clue in the "Union" after European?!!

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On 29/07/2019 at 08:18, Regal Beagle said:

Well he was a physicist and a cosmologist so you'll have explain why he is qualified to be referenced in a video like this...

Also we voted to leave in 2016, this video didn't work then and it doesn't work now. 

More remainer platitudes 

Sadly, what he said then is just as relevant and pertinent today as it was prophetic then!  By any measurement, we are going to be worse off economically than remaining in the EU. Politically, may well be another different argument! Unfortunately, it's almost certainly going to take at least another 5-10 years before we know whether the politicians or the economists were more accurate in their predictions--both sets can't be right!

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7 hours ago, For Us All said:

 

If there is a No Deal it will be solely down to intransigence of the EU.They won't accept that their withdrawal agreement is a dead duck in parliament.They only want to keep the backstop in because it ties us to the customs union forever.

Delaying tactics until the vote is reversed has always been their strategy when other countries have tried to leave.It won't happen this time and until they see sense and decide to sit around the table again it's a lose/lose situation for everbody.

 

The EU agreed a withdrawal plan with the British PM, the fact that it was not acceptable to Parliament is not the fault of the EU. Now we have the Buffoon publicly blasting the EU and telling everyone what he intends to do, not the best sort of approach when supposedly trying to agree a deal with them.

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On 29/07/2019 at 13:17, TheSage said:

I would imagine he knows more about higher education, science,and innovation in the UK, research and development, students' opportunities to study abroad, and a whole host of other sensible and relevant reasons why we should remain in the UK, than you or I. I think his opinion is worth taking seriously.

I'd say that intelligence is about taking the best advice, weighing up the evidence and not choosing a path that is very costly and a complete leap in the dark when we already have marvellous benefits and an economy that is the envy of the world by belonging to the biggest and best market there is anywhere on god's earth. Intelligence is not putting all this success and prosperity at risk by wasting untold billions on a wanton act of self harm.

 

They may have the biggest and best market but it doesn't seem to be filtering down to the youth of today?

Youth unemployment as of May,2019.

Greece   40.4%

Spain      31.7%

Italy         30.5%

Croatia    20.6%

France     20.2%

Portugal   18.7%

Sweden    18.3%

Finland      16.7%

Cyprus       16.4%

Romania    15.4%

Belgium      15.1%

UK                10.4%

 

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