Brexit again...

[Fosse69]

Living within your means has never appeared in a Labour manifesto.My overall view at the moment is the EU knew they had the backing of Labour,the SNP etc.They could offer what they liked knowing full well it wouldn’t get through Parliament.

All they have offered is an open-ended fudge to a government that does not know what it wants. Although 60% of Tory voters wanted to leave, 60% of their MPs knew what was in the national interest, will anything change over the next few years of fudging?

[Andyregs]

The mental gymnastics needed to ignore the Tory brexiteers role in seeing this deal likely scrapped whilst blaming labour and remain voters for its failures is pretty amazing.

[For Us All]

Lol there we go again. This whole brexit mess is the fault of the party who didn’t ask for it, the party that didn’t negotiate and the voters who didn’t vote for it. God forbid those who called the referendum, negotiated it and voted for it take any responsibility for their actions. Laughable. But we said a long time ago that this was exactly the stance you’d take once it all went wrong.

You actually still believe your pie in the sky brexit was a possibility lol.[/quote

 

You seem to be obsessed with pies,are you a closet Lardie?

God forbid anyone tries to Leave the EU,the gravy train nobody can get off.

Roll on March.

[Andyregs]

You seem to be obsessed with pies

 

It wasn’t me who voted for one

[Paul6754]

All they have offered is an open-ended fudge to a government that does not know what it wants. Although 60% of Tory voters wanted to leave, 60% of their MPs knew what was in the national interest, will anything change over the next few years of fudging?

 

Yeah Fosse, The UK and its people will likely get poorer.

 

 

You seem to be obsessed with pies,are you a closet Lardie?

God forbid anyone tries to Leave the EU,the gravy train nobody can get off.

Roll on March.

 

The EU will evolve and IMHO will evolve in a way much more favorable to the UK if the UK is at the table shaping it rather than being outside looking in. Like it or lump it the UK, because of it's geographical location to Europe, will be shaped/affected by whatever the EU does, it really is that simple.

 

This whole Brexit is a total and utter disaster for everyone, the UK and Europe.

[Warren]

The Maybot has left us with an untenable position. She has been following the wrong strategy from the start and throughout. At the beginning we needed to judge correctly that the EU 27 were more united than expected behind the EC. So we needed to delay A50 until we had put in place the real capability to leave and forge a strategy based on competitive advantage to offset being outside the single market and also put the infrastructure in place. Then we could have negotiated after A50 from a stronger position. We also needed to walk away when they would not discuss trade at the same time as leaving arrangements. We needed to hit them directly in the pocket and target the Irish economy in particular which is very dependent on the UK. Instead we have made our position so complex it could not be resolved and ended up self immolating. You can't make it up. And then I look across Parliament and the only thing on offer is left wing ********.

[Andyregs]

The Maybot has left us with an untenable position. She has been following the wrong strategy from the start and throughout. At the beginning we needed to judge correctly that the EU 27 were more united than expected behind the EC. So we needed to delay A50 until we had put in place the real capability to leave and forge a strategy based on competitive advantage to offset being outside the single market and also put the infrastructure in place. Then we could have negotiated after A50 from a stronger position. We also needed to walk away when they would not discuss trade at the same time as leaving arrangements. We needed to hit them directly in the pocket and target the Irish economy in particular which is very dependent on the UK. Instead we have made our position so complex it could not be resolved and ended up self immolating. You can't make it up. And then I look across Parliament and the only thing on offer is left wing ********.

 

All we’ve heard from leavers for the last two years was ‘get on with it’. Half of them expected to leave the day after the vote. How long would we have to wait until someone realised this ‘competitive advantage wasn’t going to materialise though.

[Fosse69]

The Maybot has left us with an untenable position. She has been following the wrong strategy from the start and throughout. At the beginning we needed to judge correctly that the EU 27 were more united than expected behind the EC. So we needed to delay A50 until we had put in place the real capability to leave and forge a strategy based on competitive advantage to offset being outside the single market and also put the infrastructure in place. Then we could have negotiated after A50 from a stronger position. We also needed to walk away when they would not discuss trade at the same time as leaving arrangements. We needed to hit them directly in the pocket and target the Irish economy in particular which is very dependent on the UK. Instead we have made our position so complex it could not be resolved and ended up self immolating. You can't make it up. And then I look across Parliament and the only thing on offer is left wing ********.

No one explained how you could be better-off as a non-member of the largest trading club in the world on our doorstep than as a member. Parliament also needs a complete overall, with written constitution, and a new electoral system more representative of the nation, including devolution to major regions away from the London/South emphasis. Hopefully it would attract better quality politicians with a deeper knowledge of the UK, not just the Oxford pipeline.

[bookworm]

**** brexit tonight's match was far more important.

[Regal Beagle]

All we’ve heard from leavers for the last two years was ‘get on with it’. Half of them expected to leave the day after the vote. How long would we have to wait until someone realised this ‘competitive advantage wasn’t going to materialise though.

 

You really do just make stuff up don't you?

[For Us All]

These MP's are playing a very dangerous game by representing the EU instead of the majority of people who voted Leave in the referendum.As Liam Fox said earlier in the week,MP's have stolen Brexit from the people and are doing everything they can to limit or overturn it?

[Fosse69]

These MP's are playing a very dangerous game by representing the EU instead of the majority of people who voted Leave in the referendum.As Liam Fox said earlier in the week,MP's have stolen Brexit from the people and are doing everything they can to limit or overturn it?

They cant steal anything, Parliament is Sovereign, and acts as it seems fit. Parliaments can be changed of course, maybe even have a majority government.

[Paul6754]

These MP's are playing a very dangerous game by representing the EU instead of the majority of people who voted Leave in the referendum.As Liam Fox said earlier in the week,MP's have stolen Brexit from the people and are doing everything they can to limit or overturn it?

 

It's not uncommon for MP's and the people who voted for them to have different opinions and for MP's to change Parliament for the better of the country without consulting the people, that's why they were elected...to run the country in the best interests of the people.

 

So why shouldn't they overturn Brexit, Brexit is not in the best interests of the country.

 

The people who voted Leave didn't really know what they were voting for or the complex repercussions, and even worse the leave vote was mainly based on immigration and nothing to do with the EU, no one thought about the consequences on the economy etc. Talking about foot and shooting.

 

Referendum's are democracy by baying mob/group rule and this referendum has put the country into a right pickle.

[Fosse69]

Nothing has changed since Burke put it in 1774, your MP “owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving, you if he sacrifices it to your opinion.

 

So MPs are representatives not delegates obeying to the letter, but are required to make decisions on the current facts.

[Andyregs]

These MP's are playing a very dangerous game by representing the EU instead of the majority of people who voted Leave in the referendum.As Liam Fox said earlier in the week,MP's have stolen Brexit from the people and are doing everything they can to limit or overturn it?

 

Haven’t you been saying they should reject the deal?