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Agree;

Keeper - no confidednce whatsoever

Wilson - clearly nowhere near good enough

Smith - a shadow of himself when playing with Kay

Kay - joke of a footballer, it's a disgrace he's captain

Anderson - not so bad but definitely should have been sent off for pulling back their player when through on goal

Denton - head and shoulders man of the match, how Brown chose not to play him week in week out I don't know. His ball in for the sitter Pope missed should have drawn us level.

Whitfield - not a central midfielder

Worrall - not a central midfielder and a disgrace for his actions in the first half

Middleton - a central midfielder but the poorest of an exceptionally weak midfield. Both goals came from failure to deal with second balls by the midfield

Pope - better first half but zero pace and completely knackered second half constantly the wrong side of his man when challenging for balls played into him. Can't believe he missed that chance second half.

Barnett - much the same as Pope, possibly slightly better overall in the air and particularly second half.

 

Why the chuckle brothers waited to put Turner on then chucked him initially out wide was staggeringly stupid. Those two pillocks must leave now.

 

I agree about Denton who was very very good last night. Interesting though, i thought that their second goal came as a result of someone (possibly Denton) not picking up the runner on their right allowing the cross to come across. I'd need to see it again to see who was supposed to be picking him up, but didn't personally think that either of their goals was caused by the midfield which i thought looked stronger than usual.

 

Interesting game of opinions though and good how we all see a game differently.

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I agree about Denton who was very very good last night. Interesting though, i thought that their second goal came as a result of someone (possibly Denton) not picking up the runner on their right allowing the cross to come across. I'd need to see it again to see who was supposed to be picking him up, but didn't personally think that either of their goals was caused by the midfield which i thought looked stronger than usual.

 

Interesting game of opinions though and good how we all see a game differently.

 

I thought it was the weakest midfield all season, there was no shape and we consistently allowed them to run at us and gave them oceans of space.

 

The second came from a corner the keeper didn't keep in play, it was headed to the edge of the box and once again we didn't pick up the second ball. In the next phase of play they scored.

 

For both of their goals we had two opportunities to clear second ballsnour defenders had initially cleared;

http://www.skysports.com/football/port-vale-vs-accrington/374184

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Signs that we are a poor team we are the lowest scorers in our division and we haven't kept a clean sheet in the league this season. We are used to losing games our confidence is low and we get no luck with shots hitting the woodwork being cleared of the line ECT.

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I agree about Denton who was very very good last night. Interesting though, i thought that their second goal came as a result of someone (possibly Denton) not picking up the runner on their right allowing the cross to come across. I'd need to see it again to see who was supposed to be picking him up, but didn't personally think that either of their goals was caused by the midfield which i thought looked stronger than usual.

 

Interesting game of opinions though and good how we all see a game differently.

I thought the midfield 3 were much better on saturday than last night.

 

Having seen the goals again it looks like the keeper goes across for the first one with his wrong hand and for the second it looks like we've switched off at the back post, possibly Denton and the lad has got in behind to square it for the tap in. Thats not the first time this season that players have lost concentration for a moment and the opposition have scored.

 

But overall Denton was very good last night and that role as a wing back suits him.

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I'd say that spell in the first half was the best I've seen us perform all season... but we missed chances and we were made to pay for them again.

 

One of the big differences between last night and Staurday was we had no outlet on the right. The role of a wing back is to get forward and be energetic on that side. Now I know we were forced into that change but Wilson just isn't that player. He should have been taken off earlier. Contrast that to Denton on the other side who picked up where he left off at the weekend.

 

I liked how we played at Yeovil with that system, but I think we had the wrong players in that formation last night. We missed Tonge and in his absence we had no one to control the ball in that area and make us tick and I think he and Turner should have come on earlier or even started.

 

On another day the chances off the woodwork go in, but we let our performance drop second half and they aren't a bad side and they made us pay.

 

However whats frustrating is where we are, we all think we should be too good for sides like Yeovil, FGR and Accrington, but we are down here for a reason. We and the players need to realise we have no right to be higher up, you get what you deserve and even though the last 2 games have shown what we can be capable of the players need to up their levels and consistency because we are not too good to go down.

 

Good post PV1973.Accrington proved a point last night , they are a top 4 side on a bottom 4 wage bill. Have been watching the Vale for 35 years and during that time I have seen worse players wearing a Vale shirt than most of the current first 11.However in my time I have never seen a Vale team in such a lowly position. As we are now past the first few games the league is beginning to reflect where you ought to be. Therefore I feel I can say this is the worst Vale team I have watched. Disregard opinion as they say the league doesn't lie. No big fan of Smurf and by his own admission he has made mistakes but he doesn't run over that white line , that's the players. Its also the players who need to shoulder the responsibility for our poor league position. As per the David Artell rant from last season if you want to be milkmen next year carry on playing as you are. Mines 2 pints of pasteurised.

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I was surprised by the wholesale changes to midfield; I can only assume that they thought playing Saturday and Tuesday is too much??

They did a lot of chasing as Accy moved the ball around well, which ultimately was our undoing.

I liked the attempts to play a high tempo.

Sadly, Wilson looks shot. He is either not very good, or totally lacking in confidence, or both.

He looked like he really didn't want to be there last night and did virtually nothing.

How can he have played 30+ games for Bolton last season?

Denton was excellent; Barnett looks athletic, has good control and distribution.

Thought Pope looked pedestrian!

Way too much long ball in the second half; a sign of exhaustion I thought.

Also various players were trying for the spectacular and failing; a sign of desperation.

Composure is lacking badly and is a feature of a losing team.

Anderson should have been sent off; the one time the incredibly weak/ tolerant referee was useful to us.

In sum, I really don't know what to make of it all.

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Not sure its a positive or not but despite losing so many games this year at least our negative goal difference isn't insurmountable yet - and at the end of the season that could be very important

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Not sure its a positive or not but despite losing so many games this year at least our negative goal difference isn't insurmountable yet - and at the end of the season that could be very important

 

It is a sad state of affairs when a comment like this has validity.

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We were poor last night. Even when we had our chances, we were still playing as if we were the away team - to Accrington Stanley at home! I haven't read through all of this thread, but a couple of observations from last night:

 

- Wilson is either not fit or not interested. We missed Gibbons on the right and maybe Worrall should have started there with one of the other lads covering in the middle.

 

- Roos has to be one of the worst keepers I've seen. I wouldn't say Hornby is a long term answer but he didn't do a lot wrong really, so I feel sorry for him for losing his place. That fumble in the second half where he knocked it out for a corner was so amateur.

 

- Morgan and/or Kelly can't coach. I'd love to see what they do in training because all we seemed to do what hit 60 yard passes... do they practice short passing at all? It doesn't look it.

 

- Also we afforded Accrington too much possession - as we have done in every game I have seen. Even at 1-0 up we were only counter attacking like an away side. It was obvious in the second half that they would be more threatening with the possession and yet we still let them have it all, hence why we barely had a sniff. You can't win if you don't have the ball.

 

- Personally like the 3-5-2 formation as it suits the players we have and hopefully will make us more solid, but the tactics employed last night were a farce.

 

- Pope and Barnett are too similar. You need one or the other, upfront with either Pyke or Turner who can do the running. Barnett for me was awful, and if Brown thought he was the answer then god knows what it'd be like if he'd have stayed.

 

- How many professional footballers does it take to figure out that long balls onto Popes head isn't working? Answer is we don't know because if they were still playing now they'd still be doing it. I feel so sorry for Pope because he had both centre halves on him all night, and when did manage to win a flick on no-one was reacting to the second ball. He's actually quite good with the ball into his feet and yet I don't recall at any point last night that that happened. He's strong with his back to goal and with the ball at his feet it makes it so much harder for the defender to win it, yet we kept putting it on his head where 9 times out of 10 he's not going to have a chance.

 

- We have zero intelligence or creativity in the side. Dodds was a marmite player for some when he was here but it was his cleverness in the promotion season that allowed Pope to succeed as a lone striker. Worrall looked to have something about him when he first came in but that looks to have been sucked out of him, which again leads me to question the coaching methods. Eagles did this well last year, what I wouldn't give to have him back.

 

- Antony Kay is an awful signing. Too small for a centre half, I don't recall him winning a header. But at least if a centre half is smaller he has pace to make up for it - but he doesn't because he's 34! And he's captain which means he'll probably play more than he doesn't. And if that wasn't bad enough he's on a 2 year contract... WHO OFFERS A 34 YEAR OLD A 2 YEAR CONTRACT?! Thanks Brown... Gunning to start on the left side of the three for me.

 

- Not entirely sure we needed 4 changes. Okay, you could argue that it was to freshen the team up and the squad didn't look too bad, but we need some stability somewhere? When Gibbons is back (Saturday hopefully?) I'll be hoping that the back 3/5 that starts that game will be given 10 games together to gel.

 

The standard of creativity, passing, and overall play was frightening last night. Whoever comes in has a job on their hands. I don't think the squad is all that bad but we need some decent coaches because for me Morgan and Kelly can't do it, so I hope they won't be part of the set up.

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- Roos has to be one of the worst keepers I've seen. I wouldn't say Hornby is a long term answer but he didn't do a lot wrong really, so I feel sorry for him for losing his place. That fumble in the second half where he knocked it out for a corner was so amateur.

 

He didn't fumble it, it had already gone out.

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- Roos has to be one of the worst keepers I've seen. I wouldn't say Hornby is a long term answer but he didn't do a lot wrong really, so I feel sorry for him for losing his place. That fumble in the second half where he knocked it out for a corner was so amateur.

 

He didn't fumble it, it had already gone out.

Thanks for clearing that up

 

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Another match, another manager, another defeat. 10 games gone and 5 points. Is it ok to now panic officially ?

 

The main issue to 'panic' over is the club's oiwnership/stewardship...another day, same owner, not likely to get a new one any time soon, club looking less attractive, price dropping which should be a god thing but makes the owner less likely to sell IMO.........maybe not panic but ..despair maybe??

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- Roos has to be one of the worst keepers I've seen. I wouldn't say Hornby is a long term answer but he didn't do a lot wrong really, so I feel sorry for him for losing his place. That fumble in the second half where he knocked it out for a corner was so amateur.

 

He didn't fumble it, it had already gone out.

 

Definitely, people being very harsh, the flag was already down for a corner whilst he was in the act.

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I thought the performance was below par with Denton being the main positive. The goalie didn't have much to do other than pick the ball out of the net twice. Wilson was shocking and Kay and Middleton were poor as was DeFreitas (yet again - still don't see anything in him). Smith has gone markedly backwards this season. I thought Barnett was better than Pope but not a lot in it and can't understand why they both played together. The rest were just average although Worrall took his goal well.

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Another match, another manager, another defeat. 10 games gone and 5 points. Is it ok to now panic officially ?
At this rate we would finish with 23 points, as would FGR and Spires, goal difference would be crucial. Luckily a lot more games to go, not quite squeaky yet.

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Definitely, people being very harsh, the flag was already down for a corner whilst he was in the act.

 

Completely agree, that was the way I saw it too, but some people are lining him up as their latest scapegoat.

 

Overall, a first half that was very good and well worth going for, but sadly we don't seem to be able to sustain the momentum and collapse after the break - 3 games running now.

 

There have been signs of definite improvement with this new formation though, and I wouldn't say a result of some kind at Stevenage is beyond Vale. Keep the faith regardless of the manager situation for now..

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