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Coleman is not an accrington man, he is liverpoolborn but that said would like to see him at p.v.

 

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Joined Accrington from Ashton United in 1999 and managed them until 2012. Rejoined in 2014 after spells at Rochdale and Sligo Rovers. So he is a major if not the major figure in Accrington's success. Why would he come to Port Vale after the season has started, he has a secure job at a place he likes in order to step into a toxic ownership situation? I wouldn't if I was him.

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Accrington is a remarkably well managed club to sustain League 2 football with small support base and poor stadium. It requires excellent leadership at all levels and a strong organisational culture. Coleman is an Accrington man deeply embedded in that club and its culture. If you know that area of the country - like Burnley, Blackburn, Colne, Rossendale - they have very strong independent communities. People live and remain there for community reasons. Don't expect Coleman to leave.

 

You may well be right about all the local cultural factors that have enabled Coleman to be successful but, despite his spell at Rochdale (and who knows what went on there), he is an extraordinarily capable lower league manager. I'm not sure though that you're right about him not coming here as he's rumoured to have said on a previous occasion that he would have loved to be the Port Vale manager. The biggest obstacle would be the financial cost of prising him out even if Accy would give us permission to speak to him. Norman isn't going to shell out for compensation if he can possibly avoid it.

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Port Vale is higher end League One club that should have Championship ambitions.

 

WE have just had 2 rookie managers, a decent manager with this budget could win the league.

 

Just seen Burnley v Palace very poor match, Palace like Vale cannot score. Big international manager and he can't get Palace to play other than. if ball up to Benteke. Think like us playing it up to Pope is a waste of time central defenders meat and drink. I know Pope tries hard but we need to drop him to stop the temptation of playing it in the air. I also think that Pope has too much to say about how the team is run. Might be better to reduce the coaches by two as well don't think we need assistant, assistant coaches. There needs to be one leader off the field and one on it!

 

 

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Longest serving manager ever, with Stanley, took them from Tier 8, where Nantwich are, to tier 4. I know their town has a league pedigree as founder members and later Div 3N in the 50s, which does help a little. So would be quite a feat for him to take them up to Tier 3, which could be in his grasp over the next few years. He is in his mid 50s, would he take a fresh challenge at the Vale or rest on his laurels?

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Longest serving manager ever, with Stanley, took them from Tier 8, where Nantwich are, to tier 4. I know their town has a league pedigree as founder members and later Div 3N in the 50s, which does help a little. So would be quite a feat for him to take them up to Tier 3, which could be in his grasp over the next few years. He is in his mid 50s, would he take a fresh challenge at the Vale or rest on his laurels?

 

He'd have to be downright mad.

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Isn't Coleman the brother in law of Gerry Keenan and a bit of a Vale fan? Maybe him and Keith Hill at Rochdale are just meant to manage at that level. Both would do a job for us

 

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I think you are correct when you say that certain managers have a certain level, just as players do. Neil Warnock is a prime example of this. The problem with Brown is that his managerial level is miles below the Club we support. Sunday morning parks level at best.

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Coleman's playing career took in a lot of non league semi professional clubs such as Marine and lastly Ashton Utd. So he knows intimately that level of football and how to move through its tiers up to League 2. I expect that gives him skill in spotting players who can step up through the non league tiers to full time professional level. The limitation of his experience is that he has not managed or played at higher levels. That would be a new experience for him and Vale is a bigger club than his last attempted step up at Rochdale.

 

By contrast Brown has played at higher levels. But he seems to have difficulty translating that higher level professional playing experience into management at League 1 and now 2 levels. In my world I don't want to cause someone to lose their job, but there has to be a point very soon where failure is admitted before harm to the club becomes irreparable and both parties move on in life / existence. I have made my mind up that not beating Luton and Forrest Green is that point for me. I don't see Coleman as the answer at PV, he is the answer at Accrington.

 

If there is managerial change it must be got right, a proven experienced manager. A Ronnie Moore / Micky Adams type.

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Big article in the Football League paper this morning about Coleman and his plans at Accrington. Why would he leave there for the basket case that is Vale?

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I'm struggling at your suggestion that Notts County and Crewe don't have better players . Would Porter and Dagnall not get in our team ?

 

I'd agree with the poster- Dagnall and Porter arent any better than Pope and Barnett on paper. They are just used better by Artell

 

 

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Isn't Coleman the brother in law of Gerry Keenan and a bit of a Vale fan? Maybe him and Keith Hill at Rochdale are just meant to manage at that level. Both would do a job for us

 

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Was Garlick at Rochdale when Coleman was Manager?

He could ring him from his jollees to sound him out.

The least we need is Micky back as caretaker when the inevitable happens on Tuesday.

Or get Steve Cotterill in to steady the ship.

Why would Coleman give up a good job Managing a team in the play off places to come to Port Vale.

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Was Garlick at Rochdale when Coleman was Manager?

He could ring him from his jollees to sound him out.

The least we need is Micky back as caretaker when the inevitable happens on Tuesday.

Or get Steve Cotterill in to steady the ship.

Why would Coleman give up a good job Managing a team in the play off places to come to Port Vale.

 

'Lardie Len' reckons Cotterill is more likely to jump ship?

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Let's actually look at Vale for what it really is without all the political anti smurf crap. (smurf is a weapon but you lot seem to think he's a cross between hitler and lucifer).

 

Vale are-

 

One of 3-4 largest clubs in the league and are far better known to be noticed as a manager than most clubs in this league

 

Have one of the larger budgets in the division hence why we have a squad of 35 plus pros

 

A chairman who does have personal wealth and CAN should he choose purchase players or expand the budget without relying on crowds

 

A CEO and Owner who now leaves the manager to his own plans and let's them get on with thing. Hence why we have 3 loan wingers, 4 CBs playing yet have brought in full backs....etc....

 

Managers won't care about what the fans think of the owner that's not their issue. In terms of the real world nitty gritty Vale is a good proposition for a manager who wants to progress. Not often will they have a club that can get crowds of 6,000 if doing well on league 2, sign 15 players and get rid of 10 and be able to appoint a chief scout, coach, assistant manager etc... most have to keep the backroom team at this level. We aren't in a great position in the league but let's not actually confuse our feelings towards the owner with thinking every club on the planet is better run than ours....they aren't.

 

 

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We may be a large club, but we have no divine right to be in this league let alone the league above. We are being run and managed like a non-league club, with even the very basics like selling food items on a match day making us a laughing stock. The marketing and promotion of the club is non-existent and you rarely, if ever, hear about anything Vale related other than on the club's Twitter account.

 

Where is the example of a 5 year plan to develop the club and the facilities? What are our aims and goals going forward? What plans to we have to develop the marketing side of things? What about tidying up the stadium and finally completing the seats in Lorne Street, let alone the rest of the stand? Where are we with box take up and what are we doing to get people in?

 

The chairman is barely heard from, apart from to issue a voice of confidence in the manager. The CEO is incredibly quiet and never seems to come out to speak about the plans. The owner is well, leading an interesting life on Twitter. How does any of this make us attractive to a new manager?

 

There is no evidence of any growth on the pitch whatsoever. On the pitch we have a strategy of throw money at the team and hope eventually something lands. It's like constantly throwing darts at a dart board and hoping you hit a treble, rather than focusing your darts at one point. It's not working.

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I have huge respect for what Coleman has achieved at Accrington but I have to admit he fell considerably in my estimation with his behaviour yesterday. His intimidation of the officials at half time was not pleasant to see. His gesturing and laughing at the Vale fans at the end was rather pathetic. His post match interview, in which he accused Vale of time wasting from three minutes onwards was a complete joke.

 

A good manager but an unpleasant bloke - with a team of cheats.

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How he can even dare accuse other teams of anything unsporting is absolutely insane after his Rochdale teams performance at Vale a few years ago and the fact that one of his evidently players handled the ball into the net yesterday.

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How he can even dare accuse other teams of anything unsporting is absolutely insane after his Rochdale teams performance at Vale a few years ago and the fact that one of his evidently players handled the ball into the net yesterday.

 

He even admitted the handball and seems to say it was fair as we had time wasted in his opinion!

 

 

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I have huge respect for what Coleman has achieved at Accrington but I have to admit he fell considerably in my estimation with his behaviour yesterday. His intimidation of the officials at half time was not pleasant to see. His gesturing and laughing at the Vale fans at the end was rather pathetic. His post match interview, in which he accused Vale of time wasting from three minutes onwards was a complete joke.

 

A good manager but an unpleasant bloke - with a team of cheats.

I always used to respect the good footballing sides he built at Accrington.

 

Yesterday was a lot nearer to his awful Rochdale side he brought to Vale in 2012.

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