Race Hate / Terrorist Acid Attack

[For Us All]

Are those white men protected by the establishment because of their skin colour, for fear of offending them?

 

Well Cliff Richard certainly wasn't?

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

You need it, tell me what the programme was about and then I'll reserve it for me, whatever that means!

 

Watch the programme then feel sorry for yourself.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

I have to admit I have a problem with "hate" crimes.

Although its acceptable for the police to look at the motivation of a crime Im not sure its relevant to the crime itself.

I know that sounds confusing.

Throwing acid into anyone's face is a crime... does it change any if the face is white? or bck? or what colour the perpetrator is?... I dont think the reasons for the crime change the crime... it may well be that a stiffer punishment could be imposed because of the motivation but that should surely be a court decision based on the evidence presented.

It may seem like semantics, unimportant perhaps but to me it appears to segregate, and that gives me an uneasy feeling... it appears to give it more importance if its called a hate crime.

Its not illegal to hate, until the thought police arrive perhaps?

Its just an opinion but the word hate crime seems to convey more abhorrence to the crime and more importance as a consequence.

If I threw acid in my brothers face would it be a hate crime? would I be charged with a hate crime? would it be classified a hate crime?... if my brother was my half brother and he was black would it change?

I think the law should unite people not segregate them into colour or religion etc

 

I believe something becomes a hate crime if it's motivated by racial, sexual, or other prejudice. Personally whilst I am happy for a crime to be categorised according to the motive, the term 'hate crime' doesn't sit well with me...as you allude to I can commit a crime based on hate that has nothing to do with any prejudice and it's too easy to categorise a crime as a "hate crime" before knowing the motive of the criminal simply based on those involved. You might have good reason to hate the victim..not that that justifies the crime of course.

 

I guess it's more of a crime if it's based on a prejudice because by definition their is no justification for the act..no mitigating circumstances. Although that does suggest that where there are, the victim somehow deserves what has been done to them (plenty of cases of spousal abuse where the victim as in the abuser it could be argued does deserve it) but then as far as the perp of a hate crime is concerned the victim deserves it.

 

I guess the legal system will decide if an act of violence is justified and punish accordingly..it can never be justified if based on a prejudice so a "hate crime" can quite rightly never be justified

[jimbo57]

I and others think it is right and we have the law on our side. The police are educated and sensible these days on this subject of hate crime.

 

 

you might think you have the law on your side. hundreds of children abused, kidnapped, drugged, assaulted by men of Pakistani heritage , did not.

The police completely ignored their pleas, for fear of being called 'racist'.

according to several ex police in the bbc documentary, little has changed.

and you call the police 'educated and sensible these days on the subject of hate crime'.

Not according to those who worked there , they're not, not when the hate crime is committed by a certain section of the community on young, white, children it isn't

[Guppy 4 England]

The BNP are racist.

 

 

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So are the SNP, yet nobody ever describes them as that.

[FATBOYSTEVE]

Did you know that in the UK a child is far more likely to be abused by a white man than an Asian one? Why don't you save all your ******* ire and tub thumping for them?

 

Uk society is full of child molesters and it occasionally bubbles over in the media when people like SAVILLE and the like get exposed. The whole corrupt system try's to keep a lid on it but sometimes it sneers out - the crewe Alex one was kept quiet and fell off the radar now there's a massive can of worms to be unearthed there I reckon !!

[geosname]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-40494218

 

sensible policing?

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-40494218

 

sensible policing?

 

Utterly disgusting and only two police staff jailed over it.

[Paul6754]

Watch the programme then feel sorry for yourself.

 

I have watched the programme. So you've watched the programme and all you can comment on is the BNP, absolutely pathetic.

[Paul6754]

Did you know that in the UK a child is far more likely to be abused by a white man than an Asian one? Why don't you save all your ******* ire and tub thumping for them?

 

Mr h, Have you ever considered you have missed the point of that programme totally.

 

Sadly, a UK a child is far more likely to be abused by a white man because there are at least 10x more white men present in the UK.

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

I have watched the programme. So you've watched the programme and all you can comment on is the BNP, absolutely pathetic.

 

Not in the slightest, Christ man read the thread, there were a number of people promoting the BNP, my comment was regarding that.

 

At least if you are going to try to be clever read the thread and get the gist of its content.

 

 

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[jimbo57]

Not in the slightest, Christ man read the thread, there were a number of people promoting the BNP, my comment was regarding that.

 

At least if you are going to try to be clever read the thread and get the gist of its content.

 

 

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how on earth can u twist it around to say that a programme describing the abuse of hundreds of white children by men of pakistani heritate, had a number of people promoting the bnp?

the programme simply explained that the only people who acknowledged the abuse was the bnp. when a desperate father tried to get help, he was refused time and time again. he joined the bnp in desperation as they were the only ones who dared to tell the truth.

Please, just accept the facts

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

how on earth can u twist it around to say that a programme describing the abuse of hundreds of white children by men of pakistani heritate, had a number of people promoting the bnp?

the programme simply explained that the only people who acknowledged the abuse was the bnp. when a desperate father tried to get help, he was refused time and time again. he joined the bnp in desperation as they were the only ones who dared to tell the truth.

Please, just accept the facts

 

He was failed of that there is no doubt as we're the victims of Saville and Hall etc but the BNP are still racist scum, why didn't they help out in white sex abuse cases?

 

Hitler loved his mum, he was still a racist scumbag.

 

 

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[JOHNNYAITCH]

He was failed of that there is no doubt as we're the victims of Saville and Hall etc but the BNP are still racist scum' date=' why didn't they help out in white sex abuse cases?[/quote']

 

Did anyone ask them to? I'm pretty confident they would not help if asked but in this case they were and they did..hopefully because of the right motives and not because of who the accused were but I doubt it. I don't think anyone is promoting the BNP, simply pointing out that things were so bad in this case that it needed such a horrible organisation to do something about it..that's how desperate things were

[Regal Beagle]

You could flip this argument round and the same people now claiming that it's racist to call out british pakistani child rape gangs would be the same people claiming that you are defending paedos.