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Johnson isn't in contention. Loan rules mean he cannot be recalled so it's technically five. Of those I guess Slinn and Pickering are very much for the future and not in serious contention.

 

So, I guess it is whether the new signing is better than Fasan or Boot. Having seen his one appearance I am not sure that Ryan is quite ready yet (may be in the future though) and may need a bit more time. In which case the new guy is challenging Fasan and/or quality back-up for him.

 

In an ideal world a new centre-half should be brought in but if there are none available, there are none available (and that's not offering any excuses for messing up getting one in January - it's simply where we are now). In the meantime, just because we are short in one area doesn't mean we shouldn't strengthen another if the chance to do so comes around.

 

I agree with you, but doesn't that show that Smurthwaite getting involved in the summer transfer dealings is beyond a farce ?

 

Didn't a goalkeeper from Bury turn up at Vale Park on deadline day pass a medical and then get turned away by person or persons unknown.

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I agree with you, but doesn't that show that Smurthwaite getting involved in the summer transfer dealings is beyond a farce ?

 

That's surely another topic. This is more to do with selling Alnwick in January and not getting a replacement then (and also not getting a defender). The summer deals are a different subject. That's not to say that activity should not be criticised but I don't see how the summer deals had any impact on our January transfer failings.

 

Didn't a goalkeeper from Bury turn up at Vale Park on deadline day pass a medical and then get turned away by person or persons unknown.

 

Well that's what the rumours claim. I guess it's whether you believe the sources or not. I personally don't know if that was the case but I do know that at the time I felt an experienced keeper with Boot as back-up would have been my personal preference. I do think experience plays a massive part when you are battling against relegation and right now we do have an inexperienced squad.

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I suspect that the Williams' signing was linked to Grant going there and so it fell through.

 

I don't see anything wrong with signing a keeper with one eye on next season as Fasan will return to Celtic. If the lad is available and we think he might be decent why not put him on a short term deal?

 

That should not prevent us from looking at a centre half. It's not a question of one or the other. I really don't see it as a problem, just forward planning.

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Having sighed this new keeper plus Slinn is this the end for Johnson, Boot, Pickering, Fasan will go back to Celtic at the end of his loan spell. Short term contract to see how he shapes up for next season.

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To be fair to the keeping situation, Johnson probably isn't good enough and will leave in the summer (plus he might still be out on loan I'm not too sure on that one). Boot isn't ready yet, which probably means that Pickering and Slinn aren't either.

 

Therefore we have one very unexperienced loanee keeper. I don't see the problem in this signing. Hopefully he's as good as some say.

 

I agree though we desperately need one or two centre halves.

 

So why sign Johnson then? Waste of a wage.

Do we really need 3 x back up cheap keepers? No, so why have Boot/Pickering/Slinn?

 

For me, you have your number 1, your number 2 and then a youth team GK and that's it. If something bizarre happens and both the number 1 and number 2 get injured/suspended then you get an emergency loan in.

 

We are Port Vale, not Chelsea, we can't afford to have players on the payroll that won't ever be near the first team. Every penny counts and those wages could free up space for a centre back.

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So why sign Johnson then? Waste of a wage.

 

Depends how you look at it. Are 100% of his wages being paid by his loan clubs? I think the plan was that Vale wanted to keep him registered just in case a club signs him so that the Vale would get compensation (due to him being under 24).

 

However, I doubt anyone would want to pay a cash sum for him (think his future is somewhere like FC Halifax) but he's only ours in a contractual sense (we certainly can't play him) and I doubt he is costing us a wage.

 

Having said all that, whether it would have been easier (and even fairer to the player) to simply release him is a moot point.

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So why sign Johnson then? Waste of a wage.

Do we really need 3 x back up cheap keepers? No, so why have Boot/Pickering/Slinn?

 

For me, you have your number 1, your number 2 and then a youth team GK and that's it. If something bizarre happens and both the number 1 and number 2 get injured/suspended then you get an emergency loan in.

 

We are Port Vale, not Chelsea, we can't afford to have players on the payroll that won't ever be near the first team. Every penny counts and those wages could free up space for a centre back.

 

I'm certainly not disagreeing with you there. Johnson should not have been re-signed last summer, but that was Page's doing. I think maybe two youth keepers should be allowed to stay as they have potential and can't be on very much - but like you say that's still two out of Boot, Pickering and Slinn.

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