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That's exactly what you criticised me for saying!!

 

You left out the oatcakes, they're the deal clincher.

 

Difference is, you never went to see the team and kicked off without forming your own opinion. That's an unjustifiable argument form my point of view

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You left out the oatcakes, they're the deal clincher.

 

Difference is, you never went to see the team and kicked off without forming your own opinion. That's an unjustifiable argument form my point of view

 

What rubbish, I was a season ticket holder when I stopped going partway through the season.

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I don't think I'm being unrealistic and I don't expect to see reckless spending beyond our means but I do look very enviously on clubs with similar attendances who are well run and manage to make sensible decisions on and off the pitch. Some of these teams even manage to find the money to pay a decent centre forward.

 

Bury spent a lot of money on Tom Pope and a lot of other players where has it got them?

Smurfs experiment failed but at least he tried something different. Its up to him to sort it out now but we have to realise there are 23 other clubs and sets of supporters all wanting promotion and all with expectations, some of them with much bigger fan bases.

There are some clubs who are run well but the majority are not. Smurf has to find the balance of getting the right people in charge with the right investment a very difficult job for anyone and its easy for supporters to criticise which is frankly an almost impossible job.

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Fantastic, our bi-weekly, long-winded, decently well-written "Smurfie's barmie armie' post that people respond will platitudes such as 'well said that man' or 'best post on here since 1943'. I do enjoy these.

 

Issue 1: Crowds are declining due to poor marketing, increased prices, and poor on-pitch quality, which all lead back to Smurf, regardless of how many people attempt mental gymnastics to absolve him of any blame.

 

Issue 2: Making grandiose hypothetical claims about what Jones may have demanded (5k? Really?) is just as mad as castigating Smurf for failing to pay whatever he wanted. I agree we don't know what Jones demanded, but that doesn't give us license to then think Jones was unreasonable and we've been shat on.

 

Issue 3: There are buyers for the club, there always have been. If Smurf didn't demand every penny he invests (an act many Vale fans are frothing at the mouth to commend) back, and hadn't split the ground from the company, and hadn't, mere weeks after declaring he wanted to sell the club, decide that a foreign unproven manager is a good idea, and then sanction the signing of 18 players, of which 3 are good enough, then we'd have new owners. I've never quite understood this 'there's no Abramovich or Arab billionaire' argument. No there isn't. No one expects there to be. There will be, however, an individual with a clear plan for the Championship and decent knowledge of football, who doesn't make rash, irreversible decisions on the whim. Apologies for the long-winded nature of that one.

 

Issue 4: We don't have a divine right to the Championship. That doesn't mean we should stop aiming for it and building towards it, and not get aggrieved when decisions are taken that clearly hinder our progress.

 

Issue 5: We do all love Vale, and want the best for the club. Thats why criticism of daft decisions is not a bad thing. Keep the faith.

 

Which 3 signings do you think are good enough?

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What rubbish, I was a season ticket holder when I stopped going partway through the season.

 

You never say Bruno's team whilst you were rubbishing it. If memory served you missed the decent stuff we played early on last year under Page too

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Reality check: According to the BBC website. Alex Jones states " as soon as I saw Bradford wanted me I dismissed any interest from any other club. Bradford are a massive club and I couldn't wait to sign.

Seems he dismissed us out of hand as soon as he knew they were after him and makes his sickness bug excuse laughable.

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You never say Bruno's team whilst you were rubbishing it. If memory served you missed the decent stuff we played early on last year under Page too

 

I have never rubbished Brunos team, I have merely said that nothing I have read or seen on Tv would attract me back. Page was a buffoon.

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Reality check: According to the BBC website. Alex Jones states " as soon as I saw Bradford wanted me I dismissed any interest from any other club. Bradford are a massive club and I couldn't wait to sign.

Seems he dismissed us out of hand as soon as he knew they were after him and makes his sickness bug excuse laughable.

 

Hes gotta say that though, pandering to the new fans.

 

I did think the timing of his stomach bug was suspicious though. Think his agent told him to stop playing as to not to risk an injury

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Which 3 signings do you think are good enough?

 

Knops, Thomas, and de Freitas.

 

I guess there will be arguments for Cicilia, Taylor, Hart, Amoros, and possibly Kiko, but for me they are a regression on what we had in the same positions last year. Forrester did look quality until his inevitable injuries took over, which we were warned about.

 

Edit: Thinking about it, even if people think that Cicilia, Taylor, Hart, Amoros, and Kiko are good enough, that still leaves; Santos, Mbamba, Mac-Intosh, Pereira, Tavares, Shalaj and Ferguson,. All not good enough.

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Issue 1: Crowds are declining due to poor marketing, increased prices, and poor on-pitch quality, which all lead back to Smurf, regardless of how many people attempt mental gymnastics to absolve him of any blame.

 

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So what about the other 90% of clubs in league 1 and 2 who are also experiencing drops in attendance?

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The man can't even make sure there is hot food for his customers in the paddock at half time.

And some trust him to run a football club?!

If it was just the football side of things he hadn't a clue about I'd cut him some slack but the marketing and the very basics down to getting a half time pie is shocking.

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The man can't even make sure there is hot food for his customers in the paddock at half time.

And some trust him to run a football club?!

If it was just the football side of things he hadn't a clue about I'd cut him some slack but the marketing and the very basics down to getting a half time pie is shocking.

 

Get a grip! The last few times I have been I have had a pie and Bovril at HT no problems whatsoever. If no pie puts you off going you need give your flannel a drying.

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So what about the other 90% of clubs in league 1 and 2 who are also experiencing drops in attendance?

 

I don't dispute your claim but is there any evidence?

 

Smurf's first full season as sole owner saw us with an average attendance of 6,249, the 11th highest in League 1. Every single year since the attendance has dropped, to the point where so far this year it is 4,421, the 20th highest in the league. We were 14th highest 14/15, 16th highest 15/16, and now 20th (I accept that there maybe some attendance boosting home fixtures still to come).

 

Even if "90%" of lower division clubs are losing fans, we are losing at a faster rate, or we would still be in the middle of the attendances, not the bottom.

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Smurf seems to have become a massive pin cushion to pin all the failings of the club on. Sadly the biggest reason for our lack of progress has perhaps been our failure to ever get into the Premier league.

 

Wigan, Swansea, Bournemouth, Mk Dons, Burton, Fulham, Reading, Brightonare just a small selection of clubs who have been long above us when historically were much smaller clubs for a long period.

 

We have not been able to attract the additional investment they have causing us to slip behind with less room for us in the top two divisions

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Posted by CPADE on the closed Alex Jones thread. "Smurf said to offer same would have made him (Alex Jones) joint highest paid at Vale".

 

If true then this was bad business by the Vale. It appears Alex Jones wasn't asking for any more money than we're paying to a current player, he wasn't asking for money that was way our of our league, we could have competed and given strikers command a premium should have competed, this is yet another poor decision. I live in hope that Vale will sign a player(s) who can contribute 15+ goals to the end of the season but words fail me. Michael Brown or whoever is appointed will be hung out to dry.

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