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I disagree about no other interested parties. There were, but Norman valued the club higher than it's true value.

 

Without a new owner, you're right, we are stuck with Smurf. But rather than just accept his constant mistakes, fans have every right to challenge him. Putting the onus back on the fans to attend is all well and good, but lets face it, that's been the case for years now and it simply doesn't work, and at the risk of repeating myself, is lazy. This is where Smurf can make a difference, and why I judge his Chairmanship on the impact he has had on attendances. He inherited a club on the up, attendances increased due to promotion, and then during his time they have decreased every single year.

 

 

 

I agree that fans have every right to challenge Smurf but I believe by not attending matches is not the way forward for the Club.

 

I accept I am a die hard and will attend even if we were in the 7th tier of non league football. However by simply not going to matches actually harms Vale more than anything else. Fans are the life blood of Clubs and without us Vale would not be where they are now.

 

Each individual has his/her right to attend or not. All I'm saying is that it's clear there are many, many fans who have watched Vale on and off for many years who are now voicing their expressions of discontent by not going to actual matches. We need you, all of you. I'm not Smurf's ambassador or biggest friend but set aside any personal hate/dislike of the man and his actions please and see the long term future for Vale by being part of it....attend as many games at home for financial reasons to the Vale as possible.

 

If the majority of "floaters" and/or those that have lost interest lately could attend regularly(irrespective of the dross on and off the park)then it may just make a difference in budgets to attract better players to our midst.That is not rocket science.

 

Perhaps I'm looking for miracles in a change off mindset in some ex Vale fans and the prospective future fans but come on we have to, as fans help the club in any way we can even though the Owner may give off the wrong vibes to some. We support Vale, not Norman. I'm convinced that even some of our so called lesser talented players would play better and enjoy their experiences more if we had the crowds of old back again and the atmosphere at matches was more optimistic than most have been lately.

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I don't think many people conciously don't go any more because of Normans ownership. Fact is that the atmosphere has got worse and worse and we have been playing really badly. I don't have any confidence that Norman will spend any money we give him wisely to improve things and I think a lot of others feel the same though. I hope Michael Brown can turn things round, I like the guy and think he will make a good manager but the squad is looking woefully short of league 1 standard players, particularly goal scorers.

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In other words, sit back and accept mediocrity.

Norman says we can't afford then we all accept it. Despite him spunking a bucketload of money on wages for **** foreigners, manager and his staff.

 

Sadly mate, there is 2500 of you who think the same way. Probably down to closer to 2000 in the summer. And moreso as years go on as people wake up.

Then it will be the fans fault for not turning up like 'Papa Smurf' says.

 

If Norman says we cant afford them then we cant! Can you accept that! If he wants tio "spunnk" his own money then that is his choice! He bought the club and saved it from going under!

Also as he has already said, he backed his manager! He let the manager sign who he thought would be good additions! Would you rather he bought the players? No of course you wouldnt!

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Also... Whatever mistakes Norman has made he is still a decent bloke all in all.

Some of the abuse he got on Twitter last night was dreadful! At least he has the balls to stand up and answer questions. Regardless of if we like the answers! Have people forgot the mess we were actually in when he decided to take us on. We may well be badly run and yes we may be poor this season but we are still solvent and still have a chance to make something of our season.

I also want to shout out to the fan who was openly racist last night towards Bradford fans. We moan about the chairman bringing the club down but we really do have some scummers following our club. Alex Jones was never our player. He was on loan! To suggest the kid and the chairman have no ambition and no loyalty by letting him go is plain thick!

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I agree that fans have every right to challenge Smurf but I believe by not attending matches is not the way forward for the Club.

 

I accept I am a die hard and will attend even if we were in the 7th tier of non league football. However by simply not going to matches actually harms Vale more than anything else. Fans are the life blood of Clubs and without us Vale would not be where they are now.

 

Each individual has his/her right to attend or not. All I'm saying is that it's clear there are many, many fans who have watched Vale on and off for many years who are now voicing their expressions of discontent by not going to actual matches. We need you, all of you. I'm not Smurf's ambassador or biggest friend but set aside any personal hate/dislike of the man and his actions please and see the long term future for Vale by being part of it....attend as many games at home for financial reasons to the Vale as possible.

 

If the majority of "floaters" and/or those that have lost interest lately could attend regularly(irrespective of the dross on and off the park)then it may just make a difference in budgets to attract better players to our midst.That is not rocket science.

 

Perhaps I'm looking for miracles in a change off mindset in some ex Vale fans and the prospective future fans but come on we have to, as fans help the club in any way we can even though the Owner may give off the wrong vibes to some. We support Vale, not Norman. I'm convinced that even some of our so called lesser talented players would play better and enjoy their experiences more if we had the crowds of old back again and the atmosphere at matches was more optimistic than most have been lately.

There are a small number of fans who will go whatever drivel is thrown at them, but many many more want some entertainment for their hard earned cash. What other product would you buy if it was not up to scratch? Unless you were employed by them did you give a toss when Woolworths, BHS, Allied Carpets closed?

Why should those who have lost interest shell out their hard earned cash for the benefit of those still going? They have stopped going for a reason . Nobody else is going to pay up so you can keep going, the ball is well and truly in the clubs court.

I myself have not totally lost interest but am very close to it along with many others I have spoken to. The longer these people stay away the easier it becomes for them and the harder it becomes to attract them back.

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I disagree about no other interested parties. There were, but Norman valued the club higher than it's true value.

 

Without a new owner, you're right, we are stuck with Smurf. But rather than just accept his constant mistakes, fans have every right to challenge him. Putting the onus back on the fans to attend is all well and good, but lets face it, that's been the case for years now and it simply doesn't work, and at the risk of repeating myself, is lazy. This is where Smurf can make a difference, and why I judge his Chairmanship on the impact he has had on attendances. He inherited a club on the up, attendances increased due to promotion, and then during his time they have decreased every single year.

 

Crowds are always going to dwindle when you sit in mid table in a league for a few seasons. Fans will come back when they see success, it happens the country over.

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There are clubs in this division who are worse than us and their managers bought players who they thought would improve the team but haven't so it isn't just a peculiarity at Vale Park.Now that their mentor has resigned the players he bought in have two choices either leave or step up to the plate and put more effort in, Browny will expect them to put in a shift and if he signs a few who improve the team and lets face it they only need to be average to improve this lot then we will have a good new year.

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Also... Whatever mistakes Norman has made he is still a decent bloke all in all.

Some of the abuse he got on Twitter last night was dreadful! At least he has the balls to stand up and answer questions. Regardless of if we like the answers! Have people forgot the mess we were actually in when he decided to take us on. We may well be badly run and yes we may be poor this season but we are still solvent and still have a chance to make something of our season.

I also want to shout out to the fan who was openly racist last night towards Bradford fans. We moan about the chairman bringing the club down but we really do have some scummers following our club. Alex Jones was never our player. He was on loan! To suggest the kid and the chairman have no ambition and no loyalty by letting him go is plain thick!

 

Agreed, personally I don't like the fact he's on twitter as it does the club and him no favours however he tried to answer questions.

 

Some of the abuse he and Bradford got from people who are presumably 'Vale fans' was abysmal. Those people, you know who you are, should hang your heads in shame or better still buy him out and let a load of similar filthbags abuse you morning, noon or night.

 

Reasoned questioning of him and the club fine, abusing because you are a pig ignorant low life ain't!

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Bradford City v Port Vale, 11 February 1984

 

Score 2-2

Competition League Division Three

Attendance 5,340

View Bradford City v Port Vale head to head

2Bradford City

 

2Port Vale

 

0 comments

 

Whilst acknowledging 30 years is a very very long time ago, Bradford have never been huge.

What they have done is tapped into the fact it is a huge City and probably kept fans who may well of gone to Leeds in the past.

Vale can never ever hope to attract 17,000 season ticket holders even at £ 100 a pop, mainly due to the fact that 4 miles down the road Lard have a hard core of 14,000 supplemented now by the Premiership ' tourists ' who it is trendy for. The only new Vale youngsters are kids of people on here and other regulars, ' Daddy daddy can i go to a football match ? ' Yes son you can go to see Lard v Man Utd for £ 35 for both of us with quality catering or Port Vale v Fleetwood for the same price with no catering.

Difficult choice.

None of the above is Smurfs fault really, i would imagine with Keith Ryder in charge it would of been the same.

92 clubs

11 achieve titles or promotion

14 achieve relegation

67 end up in the middle.

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Reading through the various recent postings on here, it's fairly obvious (at least to me) that there are some serious expectations of a lot of supporters as to what we should expect from our beloved Vale. However, I think a lot of us (me included) need to sit back from time to time and appreciate just what we are.

 

Fact - We don't have any divine right to be in the Championship. A lot of fans seem to think that we do (at least, that's what I've taken from the constant moaning that we're 'only' mid table, etc). Let's face it, we were spoiled under Rudgie. Apart from those special years, when have we ever been at a higher level and competed. A LONG time ago! Yes, every supporter wants promotion and a challenge near the top of the league every season, but that's not going to happen for 15 odd clubs in our division alone in any given season. We are a lower level team and, barring a lot of things going our way, we will remain so.

 

Fact - Norman is human. He makes mistakes. We all do. If he learns from them, great. If he doesn't, he's the one who'll ultimately suffer, as there's no chance of him getting any of his money back if this Club doesn't succeed. It's his money he's ploughing in, and he's free to do with it what he wishes. Yes, we don't all agree with how he goes about things, or what he spends his money on, but do you see them queuing around the block to invest in the Club? Without Norman, I dare say that we'd be in a LOT worse a position, both on and off the field. He's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, and not everyone (or even most) will agree with the way he goes about things, but that's his way and barring Roman Abramovich's mother seeking to invest, we don't have much option. Do people seriously think that he doesn't want what's best for the Club (i.e. promotion) as without it, like I've said, he may as well donate all of his money to the Clinton Foundation.

 

Fact - Our crowds are crap. Without the fans attending, we will continue to have to live within our modest means. Yes, it's a vicious cycle (i.e. without good football, why should the fans pay £23 a pop). It's a case of having too. I'd rather have a Club in 20 years time to support than not. Norman said that he wanted to fill the park and, if that's the case, he'll have to let people in for free (even then, some would still demand their money back because their seats weren't covered in mink fur, or their willy wasn't shaken off after a half time whizz by [iNSERT YOUR SECRET FANCY OF CHOICE])

 

Fact - We don't know what our players are paid, nor what certain players whom we haven't signed wanted, so how can we rant (vehemently in some cases) about how tight Norman is etc? Alex Jones, for example, may have wanted £5k a week, which is clearly not on for a Club of our means. We just don't know. Yet so many supporters spout as if Norman calls them personally to discuss the terms of each players contract. Every signing is a risk that might not pay off, so I don't blame the Club if they're not throwing stupid money around. Look at Yates, crocked for virtually the season just after signing a new contract extension and Andoh, out for the whole of last season. If we did push to boat out and sign, say, 11 Championship players on Championship wages, who's to say that the majority would succeed? It could be the death of the Club.

 

Fact - Who's to say that an 'experienced' journeyman manager is the best thing for us? The fact that they've been around the block invariably means that they will have some glaring failures on their CV, and who's to say we won't be the next such failure. All managers start somewhere, and the next successful manager that we have could be Michael Brown. It may not be, of course, but to me he's certainly understood that, at present, we need to be hard to beat (which he's done so far), as we can't take an attacking approach with the players that we have (our only fit strikers are Reg and young DT), as we'd be on a hiding to nothing if we did. You can say he's only played Chesterfield and Oldham, which is true, and things may change when we play the 'bigger' teams, but why not give the bloke a chance, as we did for Rudgie (before anyone starts, I'm not bigging him up as the next Rudgie)? Do people seriously think that we'll get the likes of Rowett et al here at the moment?

 

Final fact - We all love the Vale, and want the best for the Club. Keep the faith.

 

Fantastic, our bi-weekly, long-winded, decently well-written "Smurfie's barmie armie' post that people respond will platitudes such as 'well said that man' or 'best post on here since 1943'. I do enjoy these.

 

Issue 1: Crowds are declining due to poor marketing, increased prices, and poor on-pitch quality, which all lead back to Smurf, regardless of how many people attempt mental gymnastics to absolve him of any blame.

 

Issue 2: Making grandiose hypothetical claims about what Jones may have demanded (5k? Really?) is just as mad as castigating Smurf for failing to pay whatever he wanted. I agree we don't know what Jones demanded, but that doesn't give us license to then think Jones was unreasonable and we've been shat on.

 

Issue 3: There are buyers for the club, there always have been. If Smurf didn't demand every penny he invests (an act many Vale fans are frothing at the mouth to commend) back, and hadn't split the ground from the company, and hadn't, mere weeks after declaring he wanted to sell the club, decide that a foreign unproven manager is a good idea, and then sanction the signing of 18 players, of which 3 are good enough, then we'd have new owners. I've never quite understood this 'there's no Abramovich or Arab billionaire' argument. No there isn't. No one expects there to be. There will be, however, an individual with a clear plan for the Championship and decent knowledge of football, who doesn't make rash, irreversible decisions on the whim. Apologies for the long-winded nature of that one.

 

Issue 4: We don't have a divine right to the Championship. That doesn't mean we should stop aiming for it and building towards it, and not get aggrieved when decisions are taken that clearly hinder our progress.

 

Issue 5: We do all love Vale, and want the best for the club. Thats why criticism of daft decisions is not a bad thing. Keep the faith.

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Fantastic, our bi-weekly, long-winded, decently well-written "Smurfie's barmie armie' post that people respond will platitudes such as 'well said that man' or 'best post on here since 1943'. I do enjoy these.

 

Issue 1: Crowds are declining due to poor marketing, increased prices, and poor on-pitch quality, which all lead back to Smurf, regardless of how many people attempt mental gymnastics to absolve him of any blame.

 

Issue 2: Making grandiose hypothetical claims about what Jones may have demanded (5k? Really?) is just as mad as castigating Smurf for failing to pay whatever he wanted. I agree we don't know what Jones demanded, but that doesn't give us license to then think Jones was unreasonable and we've been shat on.

 

Issue 3: There are buyers for the club, there always have been. If Smurf didn't demand every penny he invests (an act many Vale fans are frothing at the mouth to commend) back, and hadn't split the ground from the company, and hadn't, mere weeks after declaring he wanted to sell the club, decide that a foreign unproven manager is a good idea, and then sanction the signing of 18 players, of which 3 are good enough, then we'd have new owners. I've never quite understood this 'there's no Abramovich or Arab billionaire' argument. No there isn't. No one expects there to be. There will be, however, an individual with a clear plan for the Championship and decent knowledge of football, who doesn't make rash, irreversible decisions on the whim. Apologies for the long-winded nature of that one.

 

Issue 4: We don't have a divine right to the Championship. That doesn't mean we should stop aiming for it and building towards it, and not get aggrieved when decisions are taken that clearly hinder our progress.

 

Issue 5: We do all love Vale, and want the best for the club. Thats why criticism of daft decisions is not a bad thing. Keep the faith.

Well said that man, best post on here since 1943

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Don't forget how nasty you were to those more enlightened souls who saw it perhaps just a little earlier than you did.

 

You weren't enlightened, you were just moaning for moanings' sake .

 

I thought you had me on your ignore list anyway...

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Fantastic, our bi-weekly, long-winded, decently well-written "Smurfie's barmie armie' post that people respond will platitudes such as 'well said that man' or 'best post on here since 1943'. I do enjoy these.

 

Issue 1: Crowds are declining due to poor marketing, increased prices, and poor on-pitch quality, which all lead back to Smurf, regardless of how many people attempt mental gymnastics to absolve him of any blame.

 

Issue 2: Making grandiose hypothetical claims about what Jones may have demanded (5k? Really?) is just as mad as castigating Smurf for failing to pay whatever he wanted. I agree we don't know what Jones demanded, but that doesn't give us license to then think Jones was unreasonable and we've been shat on.

 

Issue 3: There are buyers for the club, there always have been. If Smurf didn't demand every penny he invests (an act many Vale fans are frothing at the mouth to commend) back, and hadn't split the ground from the company, and hadn't, mere weeks after declaring he wanted to sell the club, decide that a foreign unproven manager is a good idea, and then sanction the signing of 18 players, of which 3 are good enough, then we'd have new owners. I've never quite understood this 'there's no Abramovich or Arab billionaire' argument. No there isn't. No one expects there to be. There will be, however, an individual with a clear plan for the Championship and decent knowledge of football, who doesn't make rash, irreversible decisions on the whim. Apologies for the long-winded nature of that one.

 

Issue 4: We don't have a divine right to the Championship. That doesn't mean we should stop aiming for it and building towards it, and not get aggrieved when decisions are taken that clearly hinder our progress.

 

Issue 5: We do all love Vale, and want the best for the club. Thats why criticism of daft decisions is not a bad thing. Keep the faith.

 

Give the man a chance. He's only owned the Club for 4 years #getarealitycheck

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Then why blame fans that don't attend for the clubs problems?

 

I'm not, it's there choice if they don't love the club as some others. Priorities and other hobbies and circumstances are taken into consideration I would imagine. They will come back / find the money when they want to. We live in a democratic society.

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