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not when weve been promised 'promotion' and playoff contending no, and been told 'the amazing talent weve got coming in'! you sound like your happy to pay £26 to watch what i did yesterday, plus the money on travelling etc, it's totally unacceptable.

 

Nope, I pick and choose my away games and yesterday was never happening at £26.00.

 

I'm bemused by how many fans we've got who swell the finances of our rivals but never show up at home. It just shows that if people can find £26 plus a day's beer money, the use of our admission costs as an excuse for staying away from home games as bullshiiit.

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Nope, I pick and choose my away games and yesterday was never happening at £26.00.

 

I'm bemused by how many fans we've got who swell the finances of our rivals but never show up at home. It just shows that if people can find £26 plus a day's beer money, the use of our admission costs as an excuse for staying away from home games as bullshiiit.

 

You won't get me at the game vs stevenage, because they owe me £26, I can honestly say after spending that at the game, £13.50 on the coach, perhaps £10 on some food and about two or three pints, it was all a total waste, what did I get in return? Nothing, literally nothing.

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Grant is a defensive midfielder who's job should simply be to shield the back 4. However we seem to be trying to build our team around him and try to get everything to go through him. He hasn't got a creative or attacking bone in his body so it's not surprising the team looks clueless going forward.

 

100% true

 

From pre season I saw this football that was played through Grant every time.

Facing his own goal every time he receives the ball.

 

IF Grant was a 'footballer' he would most definitely be in the championship.

He is not and the sooner we have a team that uses him as the defensive midfielder he is the better.

 

We don't have this team unfortunately. Tavares is too slow and as I have said before

the rest of the foreign legion are poor quality.

 

In Grants defence I will say that his exceptional performances early season

carried the rest of the midfield.

 

Grant has now had a dip in form, a big dip and we look so poor.

We cannot protect a young central defence that are still learning and

we certainly cannot offer and attacking threat to the team.

 

Maybe Grant has given in and is happy to wait till Jan and his departure for £25000

Maybe we can expect his sending off soon and a three game ban [ break ]

 

Whatever the issue, if we don't have the defensive king pin Grant in our team and playing to 100% effort then we will struggle every game

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I guess I'm the off one out but I like Tavares. Granted he's not been great recently but neither has anyone else.

 

I really don't think we should be swapping out our best players and just because grant struggled Saturday doesn't mean he should be dropped. I would look at bringing pereira and de Freitas into the side though (the latter looks a great player) as does amaros.

 

We really need our midfield to start turning up as on paper that's where our quality is supposed to lie.

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Everyone is entitled to a poor game now and again. They are league one footballers. The big problem is that we have no-one else remotely in Grant's class as a defensive midfielder and so when he's missing we look like a pub team.

Tortoise Tavares and the other young lads from abroad are nowhere near ready yet and it's a great shame that we were happy to see the likes of O'Connor and Dodds walk away when both would be automatic picks.

 

Grant won't be at his best if he wants away - that's true - but the problem isn't him. It's the fact that of the 35 players we've got only about 8 of them are good enough and like some of the other senior pros (like Foley & Thomas) he is trying to carry the rest of the side on his shoulders.

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Its common for teams to play with 2 holding midifelders. so we need them in there and even though Grant and Tavares are in a poor run of form I can't see who can come in for both of them.

 

Do we try another combination in there? Brown is usually very good at keeping the ball but I think his legs have long gone. I don't think Amoros is a defensive player either. Who else can go there, Defrietas? Periera? I'm not convinced.

 

So whilst they both may not be playing well I don't think the squad has the depth to drop both of them at the same time. Of course Brunos hand will be forced at some point with injuries and suspensions. But for me the problem is more around the defensive midfielders in their outlets and the formation we're playing. We seem to have nowhere to go.

 

You won't get me at the game vs stevenage, because they owe me £26, I can honestly say after spending that at the game, £13.50 on the coach, perhaps £10 on some food and about two or three pints, it was all a total waste, what did I get in return? Nothing, literally nothing.

You should know by now that football is mainly disappointment. If you go through it thinking it owes you then you may as well stop going.

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Its common for teams to play with 2 holding midifelders. so we need them in there and even though Grant and Tavares are in a poor run of form I can't see who can come in for both of them.

 

Do we try another combination in there? Brown is usually very good at keeping the ball but I think his legs have long gone. I don't think Amoros is a defensive player either. Who else can go there, Defrietas? Periera? I'm not convinced.

 

So whilst they both may not be playing well I don't think the squad has the depth to drop both of them at the same time. Of course Brunos hand will be forced at some point with injuries and suspensions. But for me the problem is more around the defensive midfielders in their outlets and the formation we're playing. We seem to have nowhere to go.

 

 

You should know by now that football is mainly disappointment. If you go through it thinking it owes you then you may as well stop going.

 

I'm not completely basing it on that, I'm just not happy at all in the manner of how we lost, do some of them players, cecellia, tavares really care about us? No they don't, don't really understand how people can call this a blip, we are falling like a rock in a well.

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Let's judge it on the next few games in which we aren't facing sides much bigger and let's be honest better than us, e.g. Sheffield and Bolton. Remember how well Scunthorpe are doing and what we did to them. I'm sure we've got some very decent players in our side just maybe not good enough to compete with the likes of Bolton. Especially when not giving 100%. I don't think it's time to worry yet

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You won't get me at the game vs stevenage, because they owe me £26, I can honestly say after spending that at the game, £13.50 on the coach, perhaps £10 on some food and about two or three pints, it was all a total waste, what did I get in return? Nothing, literally nothing.

 

It's a football match, not Sale of the Century. You pay your money and hope your side will win, and it's the same whether your side comes from Burslem, Bolton or Barcelona. If they do, great; if they don't, there's always next week.

 

Owning a football club falls into much the same category. I can't remember who said it, but it was along the lines of 'if you want to make a small fortune from football, start with a large one'.

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Granty played for his move, almost got it done only for Pompey to change the fee at the last minute. He knows he's off in Jan/June so has now taken his foot off the gas.

 

It's just a shame for us because without a 100% committed Granty, we look like a shambles.

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Granty played for his move, almost got it done only for Pompey to change the fee at the last minute. He knows he's off in Jan/June so has now taken his foot off the gas.

 

It's just a shame for us because without a 100% committed Granty, we look like a shambles.

If thats the case then why doesnt he go now .

We r playing every game with ten men then and the respect us paying customers have for him will lead to anger towards him .

His he really that good ? r all our other players that bad .

I watch the games and he always starts the season well then fades away .

Why is it a general hardworking man on the street can give 110 per cent to earn

 

his wages and respect yet footballers can drop there standards to a level worse than mediocrity yet still command better money than the hardworking family man who has just witnessed a no show from a player or players who weeks ago were brilliant .

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He cant go now because its not the transfer window.

 

I still think the problem is not solely down to the 2 defensive midfielders playing poorly. If you're playing the formation then you need quality and some pace around the defence and 2 defensive to make things happen.

 

I hate to make this comparison but look down the road at what they have around their defensive midfielders, 2 wingers who can create and score and interchange with the number 10, who is also creative and can score. Then they have a forward who throughout his career has been a sole target man to hold the ball and bring others in.

 

I know they're light years away and have big premier league money, but the principle and formation is still the same. My point being is that we are very defensive and we haven't got the quality out wide to cause problems, to enable us to take the game to the opposition. Imagine us having wingers Guppy and McCarthy in this team! We don't get our full backs joing in enough and crucially we haven't got a forward who can hold the ball either. In general with our formation we just don't get forward quick enough in support.

 

So to summarise I think we can change who we want out of Tavares and Grant but we would still be employing the same personnel and formation around them. Playing a left back at left mid, a forward or right back at right mid, a left winger as a number 10 and a forward who can't hold the ball up will mean we get found out eventually.

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Granty played for his move, almost got it done only for Pompey to change the fee at the last minute. He knows he's off in Jan/June so has now taken his foot off the gas.

 

It's just a shame for us because without a 100% committed Granty, we look like a shambles.

 

Said the same thing earlier, wouldn't surprise me if he has a move lined up.

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Formations need specialists to be effective, square pegs don't work very well if at all.

 

 

This is true in the main as a specialist has to have learned the role(a young lad will have to have time to learn it) combined with how it works with his team mates roles with aim to keep shape with or without the ball for defending or attacking.However their will always be the need for utility players with varying roles.Just a case of players knowing when and where they need to be at any particular passage of play anywhere on the pitch which of course should be done in training.

 

a good phrase i can remember being said is :

 

Do the players suit the formation or the formation suit the players--- at present dont think either way is currently working for the vale.

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I've been saying this for months but I can't fathom why we have never tried 3.5.2. I'm positive it would suit the players at our disposal far better.

Knops could play as a centre back to complement the two other right footers and provide the defence with an extra body.

Purkiss and Hart have the attacking instincts and engines to be capable wing backs.

And we can then play with two up front.

 

I'm an armchair expert, as we all are, but surely to goodness that type of setup wouild better suit our players.

 

PV1973 is absolutely right. Great post. Look at the players and then fit the system around their strengths, not the opposite.

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I can't understand why players are in the side, then disappear, then come back. For instance Kelly, Purkiss and Amoros for instance this season have all been in the side then don't even make the bench the following week without explanation then the week after are starting the game. Is this a poor form of squad rotation? I just don't understand the logic behind it. It seems there is a lot of chopping and changing to get the formation right but progressively making us worse.

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