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The two reasons why I said I'd welcome him back are (1) we don't have a forward who is as good as he is in the air and can hold up the ball as well. As old sage said, he single handedly dragged us back into the Preston game with a 45 minute cameo, despite being half fit. And (2) having lost Dicko and signed loads of inexperienced foreign players, a solid experienced pro who knows the Club would be a huge asset.

 

I don't know if he's "past his best", "on his last legs", "not fit", etc etc, which are accusations thrown at him on here, but he has had a few injury problems and not played as regularly in the last 18 months. Yet he's only just the wrong side 30. He isn't 35. He's got an affinity for the Club. He scored 70 goals here and knows the League inside out. And he might just add a bit of magic dust to the forward line as did Futcher and Hughes who were both much older.

 

He would give us something different up front. In any case, the jury has voted, the democratic will of the people prevails and the fans want him back!:razz:

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Tom left as a true Port Vale legend after the promotion season. Since which he has gone downhill, I'd rather he stayed a legend than came back and tarnished his legacy

 

 

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Even if he wants to come back, whatever it wil cost, whatever the mgmt. feel etc etc IMo it would be backward step and taking him on is only being advocated by some cos of his connections with the club/area and what he did last time..it's based on some romantic notion of the return of the prodigal son rather than anything else

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Even if he wants to come back, whatever it wil cost, whatever the mgmt. feel etc etc IMo it would be backward step and taking him on is only being advocated by some cos of his connections with the club/area and what he did last time..it's based on some romantic notion of the return of the prodigal son rather than anything else

 

Very valid points, but I think we also have to add in what Old Sage and others above have said - that provided he meets a number of critical criteria, he would add some balance and leadership to a squad that is fascinating and has enormous potential, but could be a tad light on hard English soccer experience.

 

The fact that Tom knows the club, the chairman, the fans and the area gives him an advantage over any other mature English brought in.

 

In my own humble outsider view, that swings things, as long as Bruno and his management team are not upset and at all costs any deal should and must not be done above the managers head, even if the intention is good and honorable.

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Very valid points, but I think we also have to add in what Old Sage and others above have said - that provided he meets a number of critical criteria, he would add some balance and leadership to a squad that is fascinating and has enormous potential, but could be a tad light on hard English soccer experience.[/b]

 

I think "a tad light on hard English experience" is very much an understatement

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I think "a tad light on hard English experience" is very much an understatement

 

Sometimes polite understatement can provoke thought and consideration of a point, where a bull in a chinashop approach will just make people run away to avoid being gored.

 

Feel free to quote, at least until the above appears in the next revision of Bartlett's Quotations.:smile:

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I think "a tad light on hard English experience" is very much an understatement

 

I'm not saying we don't need his type of player nor someone with solid experience of the English game at this level..just don't advocate him cos of his connections with the club/area and what he did previously. It's a new era, a new dawn, too much has changed at the club for his previous time at VP to mean anything....without those connections and what happened before would people be suggesting him as what we need? Seen it all before with people advocating former players as manager/coach based on their previous association with the club and where has that got us.

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If he came back I would support him and the team. However when past players have come back (although in the main they have come back as part of the coaching/management team), things haven't gone well and they tarnish their status as Legends, so I don't.think he should come back.

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I'm not saying we don't need his type of player nor someone with solid experience of the English game at this level..just don't advocate him cos of his connections with the club/area and what he did previously. It's a new era, a new dawn, too much has changed at the club for his previous time at VP to mean anything....without those connections and what happened before would people be suggesting him as what we need? Seen it all before with people advocating former players as manager/coach based on their previous association with the club and where has that got us.

 

In the right circumstances, Tom Pope could be the bridge between the 'old' and 'new' Vale you describe.

Despite the massive changes, much remains as before - the fans, the ground, the traditions of the club, and Tom has the advantage of knowing these and guiding our promising new stars on their great new journey - but as I said before, it has to be fine with Bruno and a few others, and done carefully.

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Can only think of one person recently who left and came back and was better 2nd time round and that's Micky Adams. Or pope if you count his first spell on loan. Anyone ever left twice and came back and been better 3rd time around?

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From what I understand the philosophy of the new regime is to play out from the back and generally keep the ball on the ground, that strategy wouldn't play to Tom Pope's strengths so I doubt there would be any approach from the Vale.

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In the right circumstances, Tom Pope could be the bridge between the 'old' and 'new' Vale you describe.

Despite the massive changes, much remains as before - the fans, the ground, the traditions of the club, and Tom has the advantage of knowing these and guiding our promising new stars on their great new journey - but as I said before, it has to be fine with Bruno and a few others, and done carefully.

 

we already have browne for that with greater experience on and off the pitch in terms of management as well, he also has smurfs trust

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Tom Pope may only be 30 but plays like he's 35 because he's not looked after himself. Is that the kind of example we want to set for our new batch of players? I think not.

 

I loved his contribution in the promotion season and the 1st season in League 1 but he quickly went downhill after that and also started to whinge and moan about everything that happened on the pitch. These two issues make it a no from me. We cando better.

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I would like to see us move forward, not go back. That is not to detract from Tom's contribution to the club or his work rate and effort, but we do need to develop a new set of players and give the manager time to blend and build on pitch leadership.

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I believe that Tom lost his motivation from the day that he was pushed out of Port Vale. I simply can't believe the short memories that many on here have of Tom.

Yes he was brought back too soon after his injury and his performances suffered but as well as his goal tally when he was fit I remember the guy who constantly ran himself into the ground to keep the Vale in L1 especially when he almost singlehandedly got us the point against a good Preston team that for me gave the team the momentum to crawl to safety.

Surely if we can bring him home for reasonable wages then it could be a great move for both parties. No disrespect but Tom was never going to bust a gut after being forced out of the club. For the cynics out there who said that he could of stayed at the Vale I ask would you work on for a 60% pay cut with the owners barbed comments ringing very loudly in your ears?

 

I can't believe my eyes when reading that first line ! He was a professional footballer who had just been given a 3 yr contract at Bury FC on as good or better money - why in gods name would a PROFESSIONAL footballer loose his motivation. Is that why Bury cant be arzzed to keep him because he isn't motivated ? I think your love of the man is having a negative impact on how others see your point of view

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